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Old 17-04-05, 12:24 AM
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It isn't straightforward though.

If you take two separate groups out in Open Water, you need the usual first aid personnel and kit.
If however one group has an incident, there also needs to be a procedure to immediately recall the other group.
The reason is that now your personnel and kit are in use and therefore not available to the other group.

As far as 'professional' training goes, you don't need cash in your hand to be 'at work'.
If one of the students pays your entry to the site or even gives you free transport there it could be considered as 'payment in kind'.

A lot of it will come down to a judgement call on the part of the person in charge of the project. This can't be resolved by talking to the HSE beforehand but will be considered after an incident.

Whether an incident is caused by a complete lack of common sense or a minor infraction of their interpretation of the rules, I would still expect that the HSE would 'go for it'.

As an aside, is it logical that only instructors being paid on basically minimum wage must follow these rules when 'non-professional' instructors don't have to?
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