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| Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman Janos - You are either intentionally or accidently being very rude ... you are implying I am lying and I don't take that too kindly. |
I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude. I do not think you are lying, and I don't mean to imply you are. I simply think you are wrong.
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| Originally Posted by Mal I used that one incident as an illustration of my point ... |
The problem is that a) it does not illustrate your point, and b) one example doesn't prove anything. Unless you know how many dives are made with similar set ups (and I think it's thousands, but have no evidence for this) then it's a poor illustration
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| Originally Posted by Mal the guy was not diving a recognised configuration set up in a correct way....ergo he had invented his own system ....whether by choice or accident. |
What's a recognised system? Recognised by who? What system was he diving? You don't know. Why are you assuming he invented his own system? I just don't understand how you come up with this conclusion.
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| Originally Posted by Mal In the 2007 report, two case of divers dying because they penetrated a wreck and ran out of gas .... they had not been appropriately trained to penetrate wrecks so were making up their own procedure for doing this ....either consciously or unconsciously. |
Again. How do you know this is the case? Perhaps they did not plan to enter the wreck. You are making assumptions and hypothesising.
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| Originally Posted by Mal Again 2007, two cases where divers were diving as a three, untrained in diving as a three so making up their own procedures. |
Again. How do you know this is the case?
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| Originally Posted by Mal Again 2007, a rebreather diver diving on his home made rebreather |
Again. You are making assumptions. It could be that the rebreather was at fault. But how many dives are done on home made rebreathers? You need the denominator, or more evidence.
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| Originally Posted by Mal I could, sadly, go on like this throughout all the reports but still it would not convince you I am sure.....but I would appreciate if you didn't call me a liar again. |
It does not convince me because my business is evidence. I think carefully before making decisions and I do so based on the facts I have available.
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This is not an exercise in mathematics, statistics or probability ....it's people's lives.
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It is people's lives, and it's very sad and I feel uncomfortable discussing it. However, sweeping statements like the one you made need to be backed up with something harder than instinct or gut feel.
Once again. I am not calling you a liar. I am challenging you because I think you beliefs, although heartfelt, are wrong. You presented what you consider to be your evidence, but again I am challenging it because I think it is poor evidence and does not back up your point of view. Sadly (or perhaps happily) there is not that much evidence out there. Diving is a safe sport.
Janos