Caving/Diving Torches

[AMW]

tad inappropriate on a diving forum

I feel MDS has made a valid comments for some one interested in cave diving in the UK .

Dry caving lets you build knowledge of systems to let you pass through dry passages to get to the sump most good sumps are well into the caves. You also understand how the cave works as underwater is much the same as above it.
In some ways this is why the CDG likes to draw its membership from the caving community (the training is also free other than your subs).

If you are interested in cave diving in Florida then not quite as releavent although a cave what ever the size follows some basic rules.

Andrew

[MDS]

Sixsquid

My comments represent myself and only myself, of course you are entitled to disagree

I specifically made a point of aiming my comments at UK caving not Global cave diving as you have have taken it!

If I may clarify:

UK caves are often narrow and tortuos with a high possiblity of flood and and access to sumps is often at the end of a long trip into a cave sometimes requiring ropework skills that can only be obtained over time and experience. With caves being graded I-V+ clearly the harder caves must be tackled at time when experience dictates your are ready

Caving is a sport nutured over time and with time you learn your way around the caves and get to know where the sumps are and what obstacles are there to be overcome and most importantly perhaps you discover your "Comfort Zone" where the boundaries can be later widened with accumulating experience!

This to me is an appropriate way and quite possibly the safer way to go about it. As I mentioned I feel UK cave diving is a by-product of UK caving and I believe the membership of the CDG is drawn from the caving community largely - I don't think caving first is as narrow minded as you seem to do!

Some people have attained CDG membership on cave diving quals alone but find they soon have to learn to cave and learn quick. A good friend of mine has done it this way and has joined my caving club to get the dry caving experience quicker as we are very active on the caving scene

If you are seeking to dive cave sumps not immediately accessible from the road try UK caving then judge firsthand for yourself

I respect cavers/cave divers with experience over myself and appreciate everyone has their own opinions. I merely made my representation gleened from my own experiences to answer Stevens curiosity which he gladly accepted and concluded to leave "options open"

HTH

Regards

M

[Letz]

It is not how I "have taken it"

I wrote that I fully appreciated your comments regarding UK Cave Diving and I don't disagree. However I felt that to tell someone "If you don't like caving you won't want to cave dive " is wrong and that is what my post said

[MDS]

Getting back onto the original subject of this thread - Torches!

I have decided to put my xenons up for sale and replace all with LED torches

If anyone is interested I have 2x Peli Mitylites, AA batt's and submersible to 150m and 2x Peli SabreLights, C Batt's & submersible to 100m

All 4 in excellent condition

PM me if anyone interested

ATB

Matt

[GRJ]

I now have a very nice LED caving light I made for <£50, will post photos soon.

You taking orders?

[Duncan Price]

You taking orders?

Possibly. I bought all the bits from new and it probably cost a tad more than that but you could recycle an old Oldham's headset and use some cells that you probably already have.

Will take some photos and put them up for view.

Dr Dunc

EDIT:

Photos as promised -

Complete light and kit of bits.

Three brightness levels.

Switch on side to do this.

Innards of headset.

Come on now First Officer Jones, surely you can put your degree in Physics to use - can you solder?

[Duncan Price]

However I felt that to tell someone "If you don't like caving you won't want to cave dive " is wrong and that is what my post said

I think that it is generally agreed that if you are not prepared to go caving then you won't get very much out of cave diving in the UK. I know of one rather good UK cave diver who has never been a member of any caving club.

Dr Dunc (purveyor of homebuilt rebreathers, caving and diving equipment).

[Letz]

I think that it is generally agreed that if you are not prepared to go caving then you won't get very much out of cave diving in the UK. I know of one rather good UK cave diver who has never been a member of any caving club.

Dr Dunc (purveyor of homebuilt rebreathers, caving and diving equipment).

Yes, I acknowleged the UK reference but the statement was somewhat more sweeping than that and I know a fair few cave divers who choose not to dive the UK but nonetheless enjoy their cave diving. As far as I'm aware they are not into caving and this is a diving forum so I felt a more balanced view was required.

[Sheff diver]

Possibly. I bought all the bits from new and it probably cost a tad more than that but you could recycle an old Oldham's headset and use some cells that you probably already have.

Will take some photos and put them up for view.

Dr Dunc

Dear Dr. Dunc,

With reference to some of your home built electronics, I have now located my old Red Rings (and no, I don't think that is a medical condition) and wish to discuss further the creation of a couple of underwater flash guns. I am having trouble locating the flash units, H&S being cited by some (more like can't be arsed), but have a number of "feelers" out.

I look forward to arranging another debating evening, probably "down south" now, so it will almost certainly involve more beer, and hopefully less police.

Yours sincerely,

Dr. Gullible

[Duncan Price]

Dear Dr. Dunc,

With reference to some of your home built electronics, I have now located my old Red Rings (and no, I don't think that is a medical condition) and wish to discuss further the creation of a couple of underwater flash guns. I am having trouble locating the flash units, H&S being cited by some (more like can't be arsed), but have a number of "feelers" out.

I look forward to arranging another debating evening, probably "down south" now, so it will almost certainly involve more beer, and hopefully less police.

Yours sincerely,

Dr. Gullible

Dear Dr. Gullible

You could do worse than buy a couple of disposible flash cameras and take some photos of friends (if you have any) and family. Once the film is exposed break open the camera and take the cassette to your favourite photo processor and keep the electronics.

Alternatively you could put an appeal out on YD. There must be at least one photo processor on board.

Dr. Dunc.