Is cave diving really only for strokes?

[CatB]

Originally Posted by divingniknaks

Which is exactly why the DIR term caused such a furore when it was first coined, no such thing as bad publicity

You will not find it used in the UK, only amongst GUE trained divers when referring to other GUE trained trained divers who they are on good terms with.

Umm... There is a whole section of this board called DIR

Until I joined YD I had never heard of GUE but I had heard of DIR. It may have been realised now that it wasn't the best phrase to use and the training agency may now be using GUE as the name but I think most non-technical divers in the UK if they have heard of either will have heard of DIR rather than GUE.

Right - back to discussing the merits of English vs American slang terms

[divingniknaks]

Originally Posted by CatB

Umm... There is a whole section of this board called DIR

Until I joined YD I had never heard of GUE but I had heard of DIR. It may have been realised now that it wasn't the best phrase to use and the training agency may now be using GUE as the name but I think most non-technical divers in the UK if they have heard of either will have heard of DIR rather than GUE.

Right - back to discussing the merits of English vs American slang terms

You misunderstood my post.

I was referring to use of the term stroke not being used, not DIR.

As for the rest .

George may not have realised what would happen when he "inadvertantly" coined the phrase, but they very quickly realised what a fabulous marketing vehicle it became.

Overnight the whole world was talking about these bunch of ******* how dare they etc.

The training Agency has always been GUE, the term DIR existed before GUE was born.

You raise a good point actually, maybe the section should be retitled GUE ?

Would that be any less inflammatory ?

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[big_si]

Originally Posted by divingniknaks

You raise a good point actually, maybe the section should be retitled GUE ?

Would that be any less inflammatory ?

.

A cnut by any other name would still smell of fish!





LMAO! Tongue well and firmly in cheek in case any offense is interpreted.

[MonkeyPony]

Originally Posted by divingniknaks

You raise a good point actually, maybe the section should be retitled GUE ?

Would that be any less inflammatory ?

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I'm not sure why GUE/DIR needs its own section. All the other agencies represented on the boards (which must be just about all of them) seem to cope O.K without their own area???

Not sure self segregation to your own sub forum helps the 'them and us' internet mentallity.

[Letz]

Originally Posted by divingniknaks

I'm sure you're not, George Irvine III would beg to differ

That was me being witty, you have unfortunately read it out of context ....

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

Well if this is true then, given the term "stroke" has long been used by DIR divers to refer to Non-DIR divers, DIR divers are not only insulting the rest of the diving world suggesting they are the only ones who are "Doing it right" but also that other divers are unsafe and wankers

I would like to state, for the record, that I am not unsafe

Originally Posted by divingniknaks

maybe the section should be retitled GUE ?

As you say, GUE is a training agency, DIR is a methodology based on Hogartharianism. Is the DIR sub forum for members to discuss a chosen way of diving or an agency? If an agency then we will need more sub forums for PADI, BSAC, SSA, TDI, IANTD, PSA ...............

Originally Posted by big_si

A cnut by any other name would still smell of fish!

Speak for yourself !!!

[big_si]

Anyone else think that winter seems to be lasting a bloody long time this year.....

[hebails]

Originally Posted by big_si

Anyone else think that winter seems to be lasting a bloody long time this year.....

what would give that impression I wonder..
soon be time for the masses to go diving and we'll be lamenting the lack of YD action then I'll bet.

[divingniknaks]

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

That was me being witty, you have unfortunately read it out of context ....

Ah, missed that, sorry.

Witty needs a big green grin after it, just for us thickos that don't always see it straight off.

[divingniknaks]

Originally Posted by big_si

A cnut by any other name would still smell of fish!


LMAO! Tongue well and firmly in cheek in case any offense is interpreted.

You know as well as I do, you can't offend me I'm from Yorkshire.

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[PBrown]

Originally Posted by Tunicates are Mad

What is the Etymology of the term in this context though?

A perennial question which seems to have two answers:

1. The term *stroke* was coined by Parker Turner, the original project director of the WKPP. Parker, much like Irvine, had a no-nonsense approach to diving and running the WKPP. Parker had his rules as to the team and one either followed them or they weren't on the team. It was as plain and simple as that. But what Parker found over the years that there were so many people trying to get on the team without the willingness to put in the requisite work. Instead they would come up to Parker and tell him how they had done this dive or that dive, blah, blah, blah and Parker said that he was sick of these guys *stroking* him to get on the team.

(taken from Re: If a stroke is one with an unsafe attitude, what is DIR?)

2. The term pre-dates Parker (who unfortunately died in 1991) and refers to somebody who is so bad in the water that they would be better off giving up diving and practicing their golf stroke.

(taken from The Deco Stop)

In the past few years I have only ever heard the term used between DIR divers in a humorous way. It's use as a pejorative for non-DIR types seems to have pretty much died out (cue loads of postings contesting this).

Ahmed, having a slow day are you?

cheers,
Paul