oc looking to do bubbless

[mythic]

Hi i know knothing about RB but i am starting to get a little fed up with lugging my big twins about. I see more and more of you guys seem to be diving using RB and making it back alive. My intrest is in deep diving usally on wrecks. I know that going down this path is going to be expencive but i cant help thinking about the gas i will save etc..

I know there are lots of RB out there but i dont know what i should be looking at. I want to use trimix and i usally dive depths of about 50 + m in cold norwegian waters. My aim is to start looking at some wrecks even deeper

So here are the questions

What RB should i be looking at
What prices (roughly) should i be looking at
Where can i get the best training for my enviroment (think going to clear warm waters might not be the best training)
Any other advice etc. i would greatfully recieve i really dont have much idea about RB so figured i would post a question to the experts

[turbanator]

Originally Posted by mythic

So here are the questions

What RB should i be looking at

Well youll get a shedload of differnet answers for this one
However you need a CCR (Closed Circuit rebreather) for these depth you mention.
I have a Kiss, by far the most popular (common) CCR is the Inspiration.
There were my shortlist.
If you have a bit more dosh, consider the Orobourous or Megaladon.
I don't know and awful lot about the Prism, but that would also meet your requirments as you've outlined so far..

Originally Posted by mythic

What prices (roughly) should i be looking at

New allow £4.5k plus optins, s/h inspos go for about £2.5k, as do Kisses.

Originally Posted by Mytic

Where can i get the best training for my enviroment (think going to clear warm waters might not be the best training)

Depends on the RB, there are fewer Kiss instructors than Inspo ones, probably true for most RBs actually. The instructor's qualification (like your own) is on specific RBs.

Originally Posted by Mythic

Any other advice etc. i would greatfully recieve i really dont have much idea about RB so figured i would post a question to the experts

Don't think that you'll save a sh1tload of money
Be prepared to go back to square 1 and forget what you already know.
Avoid the temptation on days 2 and 3 of your mod 1 course to sell it to the 1st person that you meet after getting out of the water

hth
Paul

edit: most of the RB manufacturers have their units' manuals on their websites too.

[wreckweasel]

Originally Posted by mythic

Any other advice etc. i would greatfully recieve i really dont have much idea about RB so figured i would post a question to the experts

Read lots, Read more, then ask questions, then think about it.

Points to bear in mind

You'll still need to carry shedloads of bailout (unless you're happy with the safety margins of an alpinist (if you dont know what this is, read some more).

Theres questionable benefit over multi gas OC for deco (I'd argue theres none).

The only benefits I still personally beleive in are the warm moist gas (physiological benefit), the gas logistics (fills in remote places), the gas extension option (ie if you get lost, you dont have to panic) and the bubbleless silence (great for photographers, stalking stuff and just silence in general). All the others IMHO are being debunked.

The way I evaluate the tools, is to look at a failure at the end of the bottom phase of the dive, then workout what I need to add to mitigate this failure (procedures/kit etc). Thats then what I take on the dive.

/Zak

[Woz]

Have a skulk on Rebreather World for lots more RB specific stuff. Or nip down your local B&Q and make your own. All the bits are there.

[turbanator]

Originally Posted by Woz

Have a skulk on Rebreather World for lots more RB specific stuff. Or nip down your local B&Q and make your own. All the bits are there.

I found the hoover bags a bit of a disaster as c/l's.

[finbar.taylor]

Originally Posted by turbanator

Avoid the temptation on days 2 and 3 of your mod 1 course to sell it to the 1st person that you meet after getting out of the water

Refering to any one in particular?

Fin

[turbanator]

Originally Posted by finbar.taylor

Refering to any one in particular?

Fin

*snigger*, you like it now, though!

[Woz]

Originally Posted by turbanator

I found the hoover bags a bit of a disaster as c/l's.

That's cos you need to buy camping flexible water bags, silly. Why do you think that the KISS comes with 3 sizes of CL? Cos the camping bags come in 3 sizes, that's why.

Mind you Dyson tubes work great as hoses and you can sit your RB at the bottom of the stairs and breathe from it at the top.

[Ivon]

Trust me there no lighter than an average twin set.

Ivon