MOD2 & MOD3 Course Content

[colinicky]

Originally Posted by daveb0000

hi james

thats my understanding of it as well, you can be mod 3 trained down to 100m and trained to carry bailout for the depth, but not to dive oc trimix, but correct me if i'm missing something, if you are bailing out on oc during mod 3 then like james has said why do you have to get a oc card as well for trimix

The directors of said organisations have taken note of Put Another Dollar In!
& see it as an easy way to get money ,but as we all know there are some sensible instructors around who will do a cheaper course for in effect a cross over but it is normally only for people who they know ,have trained before & dive with .

[And]

Hi

As an outsider looking in, the actual use of trimix as a breathing gas can be tauight in about 5 minutes can't it, including the exam

What the course is about is surely the complications of diving deeper with your CCR, such as the bailout options, decompression obligations, emergency situations etc. developing on the foundation you got on the Mod 1 course.

These are quite different from open circuit, and surely can't be learnt from the back of a fag packet (or RBW), although I know some do, and then a year later you read about all the mistakes they have learnt from, which they could have avoided at the start if the basics where there

At least thats what I would expect, but understandably some instructors are better than others.

Andy

[colinicky]

Andy

I understand your point but if your oc trimix qualified then you should already understand bailout ,emergency situations etc ?.But surely once you have come of the loop then the differences to oc are:- venting the closed loop on ascent ,needing more bailout than on oc because you have probably stayed longer at depth than if you did the whole dive on oc ?
I do agree that a good instructor is worth his weight in gold .& before you ask no I am not mix trained nor do I have the hours on the unit to do the course yet but will be as soon as I have

[And]

Originally Posted by colinicky

Andy

I understand your point but if your oc trimix qualified then you should already understand bailout ,emergency situations etc ?.But surely once you have come of the loop then the differences to oc are:- venting the closed loop on ascent ,needing more bailout than on oc because you have probably stayed longer at depth than if you did the whole dive on oc ?
I do agree that a good instructor is worth his weight in gold .& before you ask no I am not mix trained nor do I have the hours on the unit to do the course yet but will be as soon as I have

My understanding is that they teach you a whole load of weird and wonderful ways to stay ON the loop Colin, but as I said, I am just an outsider looking in, and just stated what I would have thought it included.

I think training is by and large a discretionary thing. You are not legally obliged to take it, but not having the right combination of cert cards can disrupt other things like gas fills, holidays, and insurance.

Some divers like to be 'educated' by a structured course, and some prefer to try it themselves and learn on the way. I must admit I have done a bit of both.

Andy

[colinicky]

Originally Posted by And

I must admit I have done a bit of both.

Andy

Yes likewise but I prefer the structured course with the "unusual" extra's that a good instructor throws in to catch you out

[Mark Chase]

[quote]

Originally Posted by And

Hi

As an outsider looking in, the actual use of trimix as a breathing gas can be taught in about 5 minutes can't it, including the exam

What the course is about is surely the complications of diving deeper with your CCR, such as the bailout options, decompression obligations, emergency situations etc. developing on the foundation you got on the Mod 1 course.

No

These are quite different from open circuit

No they are not

, and surely can't be learned from the back of a fag packet (or RBW), although I know some do, and then a year later you read about all the mistakes they have learnt from, which they could have avoided at the start if the basics where there

If your OC trimix qualified there is very little the course will teach you in terms of the use of Trimix

At least thats what I would expect, but understandably some instructors are better than others.

Lots of CCR trimix instructors out there making a big deal out of their courses. Some of them sound great and despite the fact i am Mod3 qualified I will probably do one just for the challenge but its not Mod 3 Syllabus its a load of old tosh the instructor made up and bolted on to the course to make it interesting.

Mod 3 training.

Trimix what is it all about,,,, Yawn

CNS and 02 toxicity,,,,,,God I am bored

Decompression planning using trimix,,,, Errrrrrr isnt this a bit like OC planning but you press the button that says CCR dive?,,,,,,big Yawn

Bailout planning using trimix,,,,,,, hey this is pretty much the same as decoing out using multi stages isnt it?,,,,,,yawn

CCR trimix diving on a CCR, Wa hoooooo now I am going to learn something...

The Oh Shit drill whilst staying on loop.

Right so thats pretty much EXACTLY the same as the Oh Shit drill we did in Mod1 except you errrrr stay on loop?,,,,,yawn

Running the unit as a Pure 02 rebreather,,, Interesting

OK lets go diving,

Couple of deep dives with drills and skills, deep dive bailout to OC from depth.

Welllllllll the dives were OK

OK hers the exam paper.... Hang on this is the OC trimix exam? Yes its exactly the same paper. Here is the Manual... Hang on thats exactly the same manual as the OC trimix training???????


That'll be £500 + gas + boat fees + accommodation + site entry fees please. Fu#k it lets call it a nice round £1100.00

Hers your plastic card. by by.


Personally I feel there should be a full on Trimix course for CCR divers who have not previously dived Trimix and there should be a single day assessment course and dive for experienced trimix divers. People failing the single day assesment should take the full trimix course.

ATB

Mark Chase

[tootricky]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

Here's your plastic card. bye bye.

ATB

Mark Chase

Perhaps that should be 'buy, buy'

[colinicky]

See my post no 2 ,I think I am vindicated
What took you so long Mark ?

[Diving Dude]

Gareth.

l'm in the process of planning my MOD 3 with Richie Stevenson for next feb/march.

What l want to do is dive the Oriskany
Which is off the coast of Pensacola, North Florida.

l'm on the Lyme Regis gig this weekend so if you're interested PM me after the weekend.

EDIT.

Anyone else want to come out just to dive?

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by colinicky

Andy

I understand your point but if your oc trimix qualified then you should already understand bailout ,emergency situations etc ?.But surely once you have come of the loop then the differences to oc are:- venting the closed loop on ascent ,needing more bailout than on oc because you have probably stayed longer at depth than if you did the whole dive on oc ?
I do agree that a good instructor is worth his weight in gold .& before you ask no I am not mix trained nor do I have the hours on the unit to do the course yet but will be as soon as I have

W