Which Unit, Some advice please

[Darren27]

Well the time has finally come where funds actually allow me to go ahead and get a rebreather, the onlyproblem is which unit.

I do a fair bit of RIB diving with my branch, so the unit needs to be easy to store and use on the RIB. I like the idea of the Sport Kiss as it appears to be small and light enough to be used on the RIB.

However I hope progress my diving in the next season or two, undertaking a few deeper more challenging dives in the 65m range, using trimix. I have concerns about how the SportKiss would handle that type of diving, partly due to its design but mainlydue to the uni notbeing certified to that depth. I appreciate that the certification is set by Jetsam mainly to limit its exposure in the event of an incident, but obviously this could also have an imact on any insurance policies I may have,should (God forbid) anything happen. The solution here would be either an Inspiration or Kiss Classic, but how easy is it to use either of these larger units on a RIB. The inspiration looks very big and would take up alot of space, but is the Kiss any smaller?

I would appreciate any comments or experiences of using any of these units, or if someone knows of another unit they think may be better suited to my requirements I would be very intrested to hear your thoughts.

Cheers All

Darren

[ray]

Originally Posted by Darren27

Well the time has finally come where funds actually allow me to go ahead and get a rebreather, the onlyproblem is which unit.

I do a fair bit of RIB diving with my branch, so the unit needs to be easy to store and use on the RIB. I like the idea of the Sport Kiss as it appears to be small and light enough to be used on the RIB.

However I hope progress my diving in the next season or two, undertaking a few deeper more challenging dives in the 65m range, using trimix. I have concerns about how the SportKiss would handle that type of diving, partly due to its design but mainlydue to the uni notbeing certified to that depth. I appreciate that the certification is set by Jetsam mainly to limit its exposure in the event of an incident, but obviously this could also have an imact on any insurance policies I may have,should (God forbid) anything happen. The solution here would be either an Inspiration or Kiss Classic, but how easy is it to use either of these larger units on a RIB. The inspiration looks very big and would take up alot of space, but is the Kiss any smaller?

I would appreciate any comments or experiences of using any of these units, or if someone knows of another unit they think may be better suited to my requirements I would be very intrested to hear your thoughts.

Cheers All

Darren

Hi Darren
Depending on your Rib dimensions, we regularly have 4 YBOD's on board my rib a 5.6 Meter Osprey with a 140 Yamaha on the back.

You have to make sure they are properly tied in because if the start bouncing about they can easily break, but touch wood everything has been OK.

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Darren27

Well the time has finally come where funds actually allow me to go ahead and get a rebreather, the onlyproblem is which unit.

I do a fair bit of RIB diving with my branch, so the unit needs to be easy to store and use on the RIB. I like the idea of the Sport Kiss as it appears to be small and light enough to be used on the RIB.

However I hope progress my diving in the next season or two, undertaking a few deeper more challenging dives in the 65m range, using trimix. I have concerns about how the SportKiss would handle that type of diving, partly due to its design but mainlydue to the uni notbeing certified to that depth. I appreciate that the certification is set by Jetsam mainly to limit its exposure in the event of an incident, but obviously this could also have an imact on any insurance policies I may have,should (God forbid) anything happen. The solution here would be either an Inspiration or Kiss Classic, but how easy is it to use either of these larger units on a RIB. The inspiration looks very big and would take up alot of space, but is the Kiss any smaller?

I would appreciate any comments or experiences of using any of these units, or if someone knows of another unit they think may be better suited to my requirements I would be very intrested to hear your thoughts.

Cheers All

Darren

Vision unit in a light weight decoweeny travel frame with two ltr cylinders or a classic KISS with two ltr cylinders and a Shearwater or URI HUD. (I dont like CCR without HUDS and neither will you once you have dived with a HUD)

If you dont want to start hacking about standard kit then get the Evo. You can always buy a vision scrubber later to do the bigger dives with but obviously at that point you will need a frame or a new back box.

I justsold a back box for £60 to give you an idea how much they cost.

ATB

Mark Chase

ATB

Mark Chase

[Nick Kay]

Hi Darren

In the same boat (not literally) as you...

The two units I've been looking at are:
- Insp vision (probably 2nd hand)
- Sub CCR with the ("coming soon") electronics pack (inc Boris based HUD)

The Sub is rated to 100m and is EC approved - though theres a minor hiccup at present with BSAC not approving (I believe) the user manual

You'll need a VR£ for the Sub whereas the vision has integrated s/w

TBQH, I'm going for the Sub unless a cheap 2nd hand vision comes on the market

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Nick Kay

Hi Darren

In the same boat (not literally) as you...

The two units I've been looking at are:
- Insp vision (probably 2nd hand)
- Sub CCR with the ("coming soon") electronics pack (inc Boris based HUD)

The Sub is rated to 100m and is EC approved - though theres a minor hiccup at present with BSAC not approving (I believe) the user manual

You'll need a VR£ for the Sub whereas the vision has integrated s/w

TBQH, I'm going for the Sub unless a cheap 2nd hand vision comes on the market

Is this the Submatix CCR? I don't know much about them, but I haven't heard great things about them. Second mouse gets the cheese and all that.

I'd definitely go for an Inspo over an Evo. too. I don't understand the Evo, you have a 1kg smaller scrubber and smaller tanks that you have to take on holiday with you because most places only have 3l tanks. What's the point of them?

I love my Classic KISS, and even if I found a million quid in the street I wouldn't get a different unit.

But you never get an objective answer when you ask someone about their rebreather.

Janos

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Nick Kay

Hi Darren

In the same boat (not literally) as you...

The two units I've been looking at are:
- Insp vision (probably 2nd hand)
- Sub CCR with the ("coming soon") electronics pack (inc Boris based HUD)

The Sub is rated to 100m and is EC approved - though theres a minor hiccup at present with BSAC not approving (I believe) the user manual

You'll need a VR£ for the Sub whereas the vision has integrated s/w

TBQH, I'm going for the Sub unless a cheap 2nd hand vision comes on the market

submatrix we briefly looked at the show £3500 I think they said for the closed cct one - we all sort of lost interest

[DaveB]

Originally Posted by Janos

.... I don't understand the Evo, you have a 1kg smaller scrubber and smaller tanks that you have to take on holiday with you because most places only have 3l tanks. What's the point of them?

...

Well the scrubber is 2.1kg rather than 2.4kg, overall it's much nicer to be carrying kit that is 10kg less overall, and my last holiday to the Red Sea had 2lt tanks provided. I do agree that 3lt are more available, and will probably get a travel frame to cope with this. I can't understand why anyone would choose and Insp over an Evo.

[wreckweasel]

Originally Posted by DaveB

I can't understand why anyone would choose and Insp over an Evo.

Scrubber duration and depth rating, as a wiiiild guess

To answer the original questions. Yes, a KISS is smaller than an inspy. One thing worth watching though is that the kiss scrubber doesnt tolerate settling as well as an inspy (spring plate to take up slack). Thats mostly theory though, since I dont RIB dive with my KISS (working on the basis that if its shallow enough to warrant a RIB, I'll do it OC).


/Z

[Odin]

I dive regularly from RIB's.
My Inspiration takes up the same space as a twin set but it lighter.
No probs kitting up. - it sits nicely on the tubes.
A SS grab bar across the top is ESSENTIAL to ensure it is lifted back in after a dive.

I had a Dolphin before this. It seemed to take up as much room. Height is not the problem, but the footprint of the thing.

[ray]

Originally Posted by Odin

I dive regularly from RIB's.
My Inspiration takes up the same space as a twin set but it lighter.
No probs kitting up. - it sits nicely on the tubes.
A SS grab bar across the top is ESSENTIAL to ensure it is lifted back in after a dive.

I had a Dolphin before this. It seemed to take up as much room. Height is not the problem, but the footprint of the thing.

Just about says it all.