New article about DIRrebreather

[cedricverdier]

Hi all,

A couple of weeks ago, there were some active discussions about DIRrebreather, what is it and how it fits into the big DIR pictures.

A new article should help to clarify what is actually DIRrebreather, what do we do, what is our goal and how it works.

Please have a look at "10 Questions about DIRrebreather"
To download this article, just follow the link at the bottom of the DIRrebreather homepage DIRrebreather - Rebreather DIR scuba diving philosophy for CCR (Closed Circuit) and SCR (Semi Closed Circuit) Rebreather divers

Please feel free to ask us any question you might have at DIRrebreather@yahoo.com

Cheers

[Sag]

Just had a look at the DIR site (Deposit Individual Revenue), is this some sort of scam for the exceedingly gullible, or those with no mates.
It’s “very popular on the internet” we’re told, so is pornography and gambling big deal.
Not all rebreathers satisfy the philosophy & standards. Which are ?, send off your money to find out.
Divers also have to comply with current standards. Which are ?, send off your money to find out.
Personally I’m a little put off that there are no standards quoted when it comes to sending money, amounts are given in Dollars, but would the Euro be acceptable, GBP’s, personnel check, etc. Maybe the philosophy is to accept any negotiable currency or commodity, which is not very exclusive in my humble opinion.
There are no guarantees given, membership is a privilege not a right, still if you send off money to be a support member you will receive a “nice” polo shirt. FFS. Where's me wallet!

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Sag

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There are no guarantees given, membership is a privilege not a right, still if you send off money to be a support member you will receive a “nice” polo shirt. FFS. Where's me wallet!
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You don't just get a polo shirt, you also get a newsletter telling you what your heroes are doing (Active Members), it gives details of the workshops you aren't allowed to take because you're not fully in the clique. This is really sad and I wish Cedric would stop posting it all over the place, he did this a few weeks ago an doesn't bother responding to any questions that are posted, perhaps he's too busy processing membership applications but somehow I doubt it.

Ian

[Mary]

"RebreatherDIR is not a training agency and doesn't intend to be one."

OK....... so how does that fit with the previous sentence of "RebreatherDIR Instructors around the world, propose highly specialized workshops to rebreather diver." followed by a list of courses you can shell out £££ for.

They won't state which CCRs are considered suitable just "A set of the necessary features of a DIR-compliant rebreather is sent out to all our members." yet strangely enough the only CCRs listed on the resources page are MEGs just like Cedric's.

You can pay 85$ to be a cash cow until someone in the little clique decides you are worthy and get to pay 115$ to get a black polo shirt and be able to go on the training workshops which as DIRrebreather is not a training agency seems a little twisted.

Sorry seems to be a bit of an egotistical wankfest in my opinion I just wish he'd stop spamming it all over various boards and lists.

[Ferg3333]

When I first read his posts, I though this guy is a ....... Then after reading some of his articles I thought yeah he knows his stuff ......... Today I realised he is a first and foremost business man looking at ways to supplement his income. All he needs is 1000 members worldwide and he's laughing. also you never hear of him coming to the UK.

[RichardGreen]

I think Cedric must have lost the plot on this, I cannot believe anyone in their right mind would want to get involved with this. DIR has missed the boat in respect of CCR rebreathers, is this an attempt to try and catch up? My thoughts on DIR Rebreather.



Training Equipment Standards News Articles Membership Resources Shop

Welcome to Rebreather DIR


What is DIR, Doing it Right?
The Doing It Right philosophy can apply to a lot of things. In diving, it means having:


The right Mindset

All the divers I know and dive with have plenty of that

The right Equipment

And that

The right Procedures

And that as well

By applying this set of rules and techniques, divers have explored caves, wrecks and reefs in various environment all over the world, with impressive safety records.

And that

Why Diving DIR ?

How many times did you see rebreather divers with poor diving skills, bad propulsion techniques
and unefficient buoyancy control?

Never

Their rebreather is far from streamlined and their gear configuration can easily be improved.

Every re breather diver I know puts shit loads of thinking into to configuration

The procedures they follow are complex and different for each diver, even within the same team.

Most rebreather divers don't dive in a team, they dive as individuals, complex procedures, like what?


And everything becomes even more difficult in case of emergency or rescue...

What exactly does this mean?



An impressive work has already been done by the WKPP members and GUE Instructors in order to adapt the DIR Philosophy to the Halcyon RB80 Semi-Closed Rebreather. But many people think that Closed-Circuit Rebreathers "can't be DIR".

DIR Diving with a Closed-Circuit Rebreather? Impossible!
This website and the work done by theRebreatherDIR team will prove that it's also possible with CCRs. Proper training, thorough planning, equipment selection and adaptation can help the rebreather diver to be a DIR diver. Standardization should help to make simpler and safer dives, avoiding confusion and improving team work and communication, especially when problems occur.

Every rebreather diver I have come accross bar none has a modified (to some extent), rig, not to mention "proper training" and equipment, and are not unfamiliar with problems.

AllRebreatherDIR Active members and Instructors work on CCR gear and procedures standardization. Based on some extensive cave and wreck explorations, and physiological studies, we try to adapt the most current thoughts in decompression into Rebreather diving. We also have the goal to help rebreather divers to improve their personal skills and techniques through articles, DVDs, manuals and specific Workshops.

RebreatherDIR is not a training agency. TheRebreatherDIR team is made of experienced and active Rebreather explorers and instructors who share the same goal: implementing the DIR Philosophy into Rebreather diving.

So why is there training listed on the site, such as fundamentals etc, and why would any rebreather diver want to paticipate in that particular pile of crap? so they are going to teach the typical very as in very experienced wreck diver(vast majority of rebreather diver), not to kick up the shit in a wreck, I don't think so.


If you want to fully understand what we do, download: "10 questions about DIRrebreather"

To support or join us, please visit the Membership page

You can contact us by email

I have kept my own council on my opinions on the DIR philosphy, but this stuff crosses the line into my territory.

Regards



Richard Green

[Mark Chase]

I must save this so i can cut and paste.

SOME of us are interested because we want to dive with like minded divers who will have set procedures and set standards.

I would prefer not to do a dive to 70m with someone who is using a 7ltr of air and 80% as bailout. I prefer not to dive with someone who has no idea how to act in a problem situation, I would prefer not to dive with someone who has no regard for pre dive checks and buddy confirmation. I would prefer not to dive with someone who can not maintain good buddy contact and communication.

If there was a group of divers who I was sure could maintain a standard in CCR like DIR do when diving OC Id join.

Whether or not Cedric is offering this, is open to question but I am glad someone at least is having a go at it.

If you and your buddy are doing this already, good for you. I just want it formalized so i can dive with anyone who agreed to conform to the standard and then i will know exactly what to expect when i am diving with them.


ATB

Mark Chase

[RichardGreen]

Mark

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

I must save this so i can cut and paste.

SOME of us are interested because we want to dive with like minded divers who will have set procedures and set standards.

I always dive with like minded people


I would prefer not to do a dive to 70m with someone who is using a 7ltr of air and 80% as bailout. I prefer not to dive with someone who has no idea how to act in a problem situation, I would prefer not to dive with someone who has no regard for pre dive checks and buddy confirmation. I would prefer not to dive with someone who can not maintain good buddy contact and communication.

Pick the people you dive with more carefully if thats the case

If there was a group of divers who I was sure could maintain a standard in CCR like DIR do when diving OC Id join.

Your choice, but I for one would not want to be part of any DIR orientated organisation.

Whether or not Cedric is offering this, is open to question but I am glad someone at least is having a go at it.

You may well be right, but I question the path Cedric treads.


If you and your buddy are doing this already, good for you. I just want it formalized so i can dive with anyone who agreed to conform to the standard and then i will know exactly what to expect when i am diving with them.

I dive with a group we jump together but dive on our own, I don't want or need any nanny organisation, whats wrong with the current CCR agencys?
ATB

Mark Chase

Regards


Richard


PS I still have a space on our Donegal trip if youre interested.

[Mark Chase]

The current trainig organisations are not enforcing rigorous standards. They teach individuals how to dive a CCR then individuals goa away and dive them however they like. i want an organisation who focuses on teem standards, teem strengths and teem work.

Its not a nany state in that you have the fredom of choice to not bother with it. However i want to be able to see someone whos is a XYZ diver and just know I can dive with them dispite the fact we have never met.

This has F#ck all to do with GUE who i who you are refering to with OC dir and everything to do with a new Doing it Right organisation bassed soley in the field of CCR.

However unlike you if GUE embrassed a full on CCR i would sell my own, buy one and sign up tomorow.

ATB

Mark Chase

[RichardGreen]

Mark

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

The current trainig organisations are not enforcing rigorous standards. They teach individuals how to dive a CCR then individuals goa away and dive them however they like. i want an organisation who focuses on teem standards, teem strengths and teem work.

[b]My training was rigourous and thorough. I don't want any organisation enforcing anything on me thanks.


Its not a nany state in that you have the fredom of choice to not bother with it. However i want to be able to see someone whos is a XYZ diver and just know I can dive with them dispite the fact we have never met.

You always have the choice not to dive with anyone and as a techical diver are you not sefl sufficent?



This has F#ck all to do with GUE who i who you are refering to with OC dir and everything to do with a new Doing it Right organisation bassed soley in the field of CCR.


I'm not so sure about that, the site looks remarkably like GUE to me.


However unlike you if GUE embrassed a full on CCR i would sell my own, buy one and sign up tomorow.

Hell would freeze over before I would Mark

ATB

Mark Chase

Cheers

Richard