Auto-air bailout?

[W Wilberforce]

Hello,
Just to gauge general opinion,
how many of you Inspiration users use just your diluent, run through the dreaded Auo-air (though it seems great to me) or a conventional regulator as sole bailout on dives shallower than 30 mins?
Obv. at that depth NDL is big enough not to worry about deco so I am talking about direct ascent to surface when the time comes.
In the Red sea vs. UK ?

Would raise it as a poll if I though it worth it!
Presumably on the KISS and Oorooboorus you would use the BOV, and on the Megaloadon a necklaced regulator ?

I am buddying with another rebreather here, with an OC buddy I would drag the 7L along.

Any comments welcome.

[Bottle Maker]

I allways carry open circuit bale out, this is normally a 7liter this is for my buddy as much as my self. When I took my unit out to the Red Sea I hired a 7liter. I have removed the Auto Air and replaced it with an AP200 inflator, my reasons for not using the Auto Air are I regularly start a dive with less than 100bar of dil 300 liters of gas will not last a buddy with no gas very long. If I ever have bale out for real the chances of even a full 3liter cylinder getting me to the surface from 30meters and completeing any sort of stop are remote, for that reason my default bale out reg is on my stage. As I dont plan to ever use the Auto Air I can see know reason to carry some thing that could possibly free flow and is not intutive to use by a buddy.

Graham.

[essexbloke]

I always carry bailout no mater what depth . Depends how deep i go which size cylinder i use.

[colinicky]

Always carry at least 1 x 7L ,If I'm on my own or with a buddy on ccr.
I used to think a 3l was enough but I had a problem at 30m & drained 250bar in a 3l & the 200 bar that was still in my dil by the time I hit the surface !

[tiggerbiker]

although i have kept the auto-air (albeit slightly detuned to prevent freeflows) i always carry an ali80 plumbed into my dil manifold via a Q/R coupling, i also have a BOV instead of the original mouthpeice.

i have a reg attatched to the ali80 so it makes it a totally redundant and independant setup, if a buddy has a problem i can simply unclip the whole cylinder and hand it to them

[nigelH]

No stop diving I access the DIL on the AutoAir or the DSV and I have a TX40 on the Oxygen. You have to have bailout but what I carry onboard is enough to get me out of a no-stop incident.

If I'm out with the club diving with somebody on a single I clip on a 3L of air to hand off using one of my stage regs sets.

Actually I've just put a new style AutoAir on mine, and a Buddy ADV as my 'Bob was getting a bit old and sad, and the new AutoAir looks a lot less 1950s than the original.

It's still black. I really hate black. I've just reworked my Vision head with new cells and I need a desk light to back up all the strip lights in here because everything is light sucking black.

[Sonicthediver]

I have kept the Auto Air on my Inspo, I always had one when on OC and found them to be reliable, unless abused, although they will take some abuse.

I have never had a problem with one other than the odd tiny leak that I easily fixed (in the water as well as pre-dive).

I have used the one on my Inspo “in anger” so to speak, and brought an out of air OC diver up from 18 meters, with no difficulty. I was one of a threesome and it was very controlled, but it worked.

I am very careful with prepping and testing the unit before a dive.

If I am diving less than approx 20 meters either solo or with a buddy I don’t normally carry bailout cylinders and rely on the dil/Auto air combination.

If diving with a buddy to 35 ish meters, again I don’t normally carry bailout cylinders.

If diving solo to 35 meters I will normally carry a 7 litre, beyond that either solo or with a buddy I would consider carrying two cylinders

I did bail out once at about 30 meters when I felt something was wrong (it was basically, down the shot, not happy, signal buddy, quick check, still not happy, bail and abort, back up shot) when testing unit I found that the problem was miniscule and I could have stayed on loop, but that was lack of experience.

I am considering rigging a 1 litre O2 cylinder to the counter lung on a manual inject button.

And just to get the DIR mob and many others screaming “Suicide bottle” and “you’re mad” etc I also use an emergency bottle on the wing, same as I always did OC for many years.

But hey, I’m still hear after all those years so i must be getting something right.

[Timbobaggins]

If its good enough for Martin Parker, its good enough for me, though i have detuned it.

[NotDeadYet]

Originally Posted by spunkmire

Presumably on the KISS... you would use the BOV

Would I f***! Not from onboard at any rate! I've had a couple of minor CO2 incidents and getting off the loop is a major priority and my SAC went to rat shit! I learned fairly early on that when Gordon wrote "diluent is not adequate bailout" he meant it. A 3L is worth bugger all in a CO2 related event. On a major CO2 incident I hate to think just how bad it would be, and the thing that gets me is that in 20m of water it is going to be just as bad as it is in 90m.

My BOV is hooked to whatever I'm diving as bailout and I don't dive in water I can't stand up in without a separate bailout bottle. I've even rigged my rebreather so I can't dive without bailout switched on and connected, if I don't have bailout then I don't have wing inflation. Onboard drives the rebreather, that's it, nothing else.

[nigelH]

Originally Posted by NotDeadYet

My BOV is hooked to whatever I'm diving as bailout and I don't dive in water I can't stand up in without a separate bailout bottle. I've even rigged my rebreather so I can't dive without bailout switched on and connected, if I don't have bailout then I don't have wing inflation. Onboard drives the rebreather, that's it, nothing else.

So...
Do I read that that you are one gas connect away from sink-and-die?
Or is the suit driven from something else?