Paid for diving?

[Fathoms Down]

Originally Posted by David Martin

I think that there's still a difference between "Diving Contractors" and professional "recreational diving instructors". To the best of my knowledge, most of the later have never been on an HSE course, although they will have HSE medicals and comply with ACoPs.

Thats very true but if you were salvaging something for someone then you wouldn't be working as an instructor so I doubt that these rules would apply.

[David Martin]

Originally Posted by chrisch

2. because the baby-sitter is an employee.

Not necessarily. Not everyone that you pay is an employee.

Such people can be a self-employed person, with whom you have a contract for services. It depends on a number of factors.

Let's be careful out there...

Agreed!

David

[Justin Owen]

no doubt a serious subject, and one that some peeps are likely to get passionate about...

to me, its another case of taking things too far, no common sense being applied to the particular scenario...

i've bought instructors bottles before now if they've gone out of there way to help me complete training etc... i'd like to think that no court in the land would convict someone on the basis of receiving beer/gift etc on the basis of doing a favour...

imagine similar situation out of diving? e.g. you bring back beer/cigarettes for a friend who ran you/picked you up from airport - and he crashes car on way... how would that insurance stand if it's viewed he's done it for cash/reward...

i think (hope) common sense would differentiate a gift from payment...

anyway, more importantly i'm off to tenerife in 3 weeks.... ;o)

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by David Martin

Not necessarily. Not everyone that you pay is an employee.

Such people can be a self-employed person, with whom you have a contract for services. It depends on a number of factors.

David

I'm relieved to see someone more pedantic than me!! You are correct.

However, you still have a duty of care to such a person. Furthermore if you are in the habit of paying them and misrepresent to them their status they can claim that they believed you were employing them and as such are responsible for their PAYE and NI deductions.

The weasely shits that are Insurance companies will no doubt find some reason to avoid payment if such an individual is on your premises.

10 years ago this would have been funny. In our "sue everyone just like the yanks do" climate its scary.........

Chris

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by Justin Owen

imagine similar situation out of diving? e.g. you bring back beer/cigarettes for a friend who ran you/picked you up from airport - and he crashes car on way... how would that insurance stand if it's viewed he's done it for cash/reward...

i think (hope) common sense would differentiate a gift from payment...

Unless your friend's insurance covered hire and reward s/he is in the shit.

It is also illegal to import into the UK duty-free alcohol or tobacco unless for PERSONAL consumption.

Common sense????????????????????????? Haaaaaaaaaaaa... The Customs & Excise??????????

"Common sense is the set of prejudices a man acquires by the time he is 21" Albert Einstein.

Enjoy Tenerife - hope you get to see whales and stuff. Great place.

Chris

[Justin Owen]

Originally Posted by chrisch

Enjoy Tenerife - hope you get to see whales and stuff. Great place.

Chris

I know...! 3rd time in 12 months... :o)

Even saw atlantic dolphins last time on the whale trip...

As long as SCUBA1 keeps the Mako's away, and no one here's me screaming at the Sting Rays again, it'll be great...!

[Brass Monkey]

Andy, just how much does an HSE part 1, 2 or 3 (whatever) cost these days? And how long does it take to complete? Just out of interest of course.


Dave.

[Moray]

Originally Posted by Justin Owen

As long as SCUBA1 keeps the Mako's away, and no one here's me screaming at the Sting Rays again, it'll be great...!

Hehehe...I taped that secretly, you know, am just waiting for an opportune moment to put it on the net....

Cheapest place I know is a local one doing HSE scuba at about 2k.

[Brass Monkey]

2K now that sounds sore. That would require a regular stream of requests for "favors" to make it worth the hassle. Until then I’ll stick with what Cat woman says “when I’m good I’m very good but when I’m bad I’m better” or some shite like that. Not that I’m ever bad you understand


Dave.