Vytec DS question

[Scubee]

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

I can do that As Janos says, we can build in our own safety.
Getting slightly more/less on fills is accepted and we are quite capable of accounting for it. We do on tables so why should Suunto pre-decide how we wish to employ these adjustments and how we wish to cater for inaccuracies in mixes. We are now having to adjust the other way so our computers fit with plans. It makes far more sense for us to have to adjust for the odd difference than as standard. I consider it most presumptious and it just seems plain wrong to provide an instrument that is already 'out' forcing us to "tweak" it. The message is wrong
Yup, have done that but still think my tools should be straight facts to which I can apply safety factors. And then what's the point of having alarms if I now have to adjust the settings for them to come into play at the right trime? (not that I hear alarms anyway )
IMVHO If the standard we work from isn't 'point zero', as it were, room for error is immediately activated



Yes

Diving to the limits of tables, computers etc isn't necessarily a good thing unless you fit the profile of the average diver used in creating them. (if that makes sense!)

Now, here's a thought.... if you got a mix of, say, 32.5%, what would you set your computer to... 32% or 33%?

[Letz]

Originally Posted by Scubee

Diving to the limits of tables, computers etc isn't necessarily a good thing unless you fit the profile of the average diver used in creating them. (if that makes sense!)

Now, here's a thought.... if you got a mix of, say, 32.5%, what would you set your computer to... 32% or 33%?

I wasn't arguing diving to limits, I was arguing having instruments that do not start from 'point zero', hence any further settings are considered and as per plan. I consider it extremely misleading and in contradiction with training if a tool (and it is supposed to be our tool) has, effectively, already been tampered with.

As for the 32.5% I know exactly what I would do and how I would adjust my computer for appropriate MOD, alarms, whatever to suit my requirements BUT any adjustment to my Vytec DS will now be doubling/cancelling out the variance So, now I have to account for 2 iterations as the Suunto 'adjustment' won't necessarily be the same as mine and it's my dive plan

Purity and truth, that's all I ask

[Scubee]

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

I wasn't arguing diving to limits, I was arguing having instruments that do not start from 'point zero', hence any further settings are considered and as per plan. I consider it extremely misleading and in contradiction with training if a tool (and it is supposed to be our tool) has, effectively, already been tampered with.

As for the 32.5% I know exactly what I would do and how I would adjust my computer for appropriate MOD, alarms, whatever to suit my requirements BUT any adjustment to my Vytec DS will now be doubling/cancelling out the variance So, now I have to account for 2 iterations as the Suunto 'adjustment' won't necessarily be the same as mine and it's my dive plan

Purity and truth, that's all I ask

OK, but if you aren't diving to the limits, then does 1m built in make a difference worth worrying about?

The variances aren't all the same anyway. My Vytec DS reads 0.5m deeper than Mr Scubees. Which means i always win the depth contest

[Letz]

Originally Posted by Scubee

OK, but if you aren't diving to the limits, then does 1m built in make a difference worth worrying about?

It depends which limits you're talking about. I already plan my safety factors so yes, the Suunto limits do matter, particularly MOD. But like I said, I'm not convinced the alarms work anyway (set some previously and never heard them and they didn't appear in the download) and I monitor my dive depths etc. Still, it's not a cheap piece of kit and it would be nice if it could do what it's supposed to do rather than us all just accepting it and, consequently, such item benefits being driven by the industry rather than by the users. Bring back 90s marketing concept, all is forgiven

The variances aren't all the same anyway. My Vytec DS reads 0.5m deeper than Mr Scubees. Which means i always win the depth contest

To me that just makes it worse

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Scuttler

Sorry am I being a pedant

You're either missing a question mark, or you've ordered the words in your sentence incorrectly.

Janos

[Scubee]

I hear what you say, and I don't disagree. They do what they are designed to do.

My point is, though, in the grander scheme of things, does it really matter?

[Letz]

Originally Posted by Janos

You're either missing a question mark, or you've ordered the words in your sentence incorrectly.

Janos

He missed a comma and an "am I" ......... Sorry am I, being a pedant am I"

[Scuttler]

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

He missed a comma and an "am I" ......... Sorry am I, being a pedant am I"

Hmmmm, the pedantry is stong in this one. Hmmm.

[Scubee]

Originally Posted by Scuttler

Sorry am I being a pedant

Originally Posted by Janos

You're either missing a question mark, or you've ordered the words in your sentence incorrectly.
Janos

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

He missed a comma and an "am I" ......... Sorry am I, being a pedant am I"

Or, Alternatively,

I am sorry, I am being a pedant
Or
May I please borow Finless' pedant pendant?

[Scuttler]

Originally Posted by Scubee

May I please borow Finless' pedant pendant?

NOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo..................... .....

Not the PENDANT