V Planner with Z Plan for shallow deco

[Ammers]

Andyp - many thanks for that info. I've looked at Ross's stuff quite a lot in the past. I do very extended shallow stuff but I know he is releasing newer Vs all the time.   My VR3 has certain gases plumbed in and active but I'm really using it for 4th cell redundancy. Unless I tell it the true dive profile and gases etc it does get bent.  That's after I stay well within the gradients of PC software!!!! The VR3 is TOO conservative - look at the deep stops generation and how it offgases compared to what it does in the shallows - Z planner for instance throws out different deep stops but adds a lot of shallow time. Do you think this is "bending and mending"?
VR3 however, gives 4th cell redundancy, which is more important to me than proplanner deco schedules - I would prefer to be using a VPM orientated schedule.  I'll email you off list re some profiles. Many thanks.

Oh - re the sensor tester - that is absolutely fantastic news.  I knew from the capability in the VR3 software that it could be possible. I am seriously impressed. I considered building a test bed myself which could get past 1.5 on land to get a true picture of sensor health but you beat me to it. Please email me offline with details of what materials you used etc. I am seriously, seriously impressed with that - it's been a long time coming.  You will be capturing a HUGE market there.

Martin is working on a CO2 sensor at the moment but there are a lot of technical difficulties with it.  He showed some very useful info on scrubber correlation of efficiency and depth if you are interested we can discuss offline.

You're right that the CCR profiles are unproven - my instructor for Mod1 CCR that I did my Mod 1 course with is still using pretty much ProPlanner but not aspiring to really deep stuff.  I need software which can get me in the range of about 190 metres over the long term but it's extremely, unbelievably hard to find.  I might have to end up writing my own.  I will email you some profiles off line, I've been running certain dives through different software and would be interested in your opinion. Cheers.

(Edited by Ammers at 12:18 am on Jan. 24, 2003)

[Ammers]

Hi, just read your posts on the uk list. If you aren't getting bent on the shorter profile stick with it. You say you will be doing quite a few 100m dives so you should use a profile a few times then see what happens. If you get tired or have any other minor symptoms you may want to add a bit.
If you feel great and think you can get out quicker just cut a few mins off and see what happens. You will not suddenly get a massive bend by taking off a few mins. As long as the deco profile is reasonable and you feel ok and are doing the same dives over and over you will get a feel for the deco and can
chuck the tables away. I definitely wouldn't do an extra 38 mins because some computer told me. Tables will only help if you are doing depths or times you haven't done before but if you are doing 100m regularly you
will know what is enough deco. I dive 45 - 65m wrecks every weekend and over the years have mucked around shaving time off or modifying deco for the same
depths and bt and found this is the best way to find what works. You also need to feel your own fitness, warmth, hydration, exertion at depth etc and
take these into account. You are the best judge of all this and will find you can shave quite a bit off when the conditions are good. Don't get
caught up in all the 'technology' promoted by the dive industry. It is not 'rocket
science' ;)
safe diving,
Scott


Brilliant advice - hope you don't mind me sharing it on the board for the non fish prodders.  I'm not getting bent on the shorter schedule but I do add extended shallow time on a staged 100% bottle at 6m - that's my redundancy on the rebreather being inoperable at that depth but I end up using the bottle anyway since it's there.   The team use the shorter schedule but I'm happier with extended shallow time.  I'm looking at the deep stops now to find out exactly the half times determined by them in VPlan and the tissue compartments affected. There is definitely an element of subclinical there. I'm going down to the sump, hopefully 106 m this time,  again at the weekend if we can't get on Buitenzorg so I will email you my profile on different software.  Oh, that's if my so-called bends let me out of my armchair HAHA. Cheers for the advice.

[jjflash]

Bren & others - well said!

Ammers - blah blah blah - am I still awake?

One week it's a drop down to 50m, next week a little poodle round Capers with no SMB, next week urging caution on the box and now straight down to 100+ (allegedly)

Sorry matey, wrong forum and I'm bored of hearing it :snore:

Paul

[darthmoll]

boring....

[Phil Ennis]

Well said Bren, I think we are all sick of this sh*t !!!!

YD is not a stage for this sort of thing, there must be Tekkie sites where it would be more appropriate to post.

Pinching someones quote here, "I am a fish prodder and proud of it."

[Ammers]

Ah pardon me. I thought this site was for everyone from "fish prodders to uber-techies". It looks like tek discussion is not welcome! I'll fuck off now.

[Ian Daly]

Ammers or AM - Whichever is coolest for you.

As far as I was concerned this is a site for the likes of my and other peoples children through to uber-tekkies and even foul-mouthed shameless selfpromoters.

You will probably find that the people considered to be uber-tekkies by me and my diving ilk don't view themselves in this light and are happy enough (and generous enough) to dish out a bit of advice from time to time.

Besides there is no point in having any other tekkies on here 'cause you have done it all, and even if someone else has done they probably didn't do it right anyway!!!

As many have quite rightly stated you are a bore, you act in the child like manner of 'I want some attention, any attention as long as I get some.' It pains me to type all of this because I am pandering to your pathetic ego.

As hard as it is for me to beleive you have some friends in the forum (I am not one of them, I personally think you are a bloody idiot), but I don't beleive you realise that some of them are sick and tired of defending you, you only have to read the post to see how you make people feel towards you.

Now ask yourself a question; How many times have you said that you were going to leave a forum never to return??? You always come back, you can't help it, you crave the attention, it is so sad.

Ian Daly

(Edited by Ian Daly at 8:15 pm on Jan. 24, 2003)

[Big Steph]

Ammers, if what you say is true, well you are a statistic waiting to happen!!

You don't impress me one bit.

Big Steph.

[Ammers]

You all say that but I did actually ask for advice on software - evidently your male egos are threatened if I don't ask a simple question so it's seen as self promotion.  I am not the slightest bit interested in attention or impressing people - I am driven by a burning need to push myself for my own personal sense of achievement.  That is something that I can't help, I just can't be content with feeling that I am not progressing.  Believe it or not I am still beating myself up that I haven't achieved more in the past year.  I need more knowledge - it is frustrating not being able to get access to the info I want.

What is wrong in stating the dive depth and asking for advice in context of the dive?  This is a site for all.  I shouldn't be excluded by these attitudes just because I happen to be asking a question about software!  I want to push myself further and to do that I need advice from people who have already done the dives.  It is critical that I get that advice - I shouldn't be attacked on this site every time I happen to state what I am aspiring to and look for advice.  It's shameful.  I have done nothing fantastic and nothing that any diver couldn't do - I really don't think it's a big deal and I'm still not happy with it.  I am a perfectionist by nature and I have to keep achieving, that is something I cannot change - should I be persecuted on this site every time I ask a question?  I came back in the hope that I could be accepted here. It really is a shame that I can't be.

[MATTBIN]

AnneMarie, ever thought you might have outgrown this particular forum. As most are recreational divers we cannot advise you, perhaps you should find a more technical site. I should have thought the Inspiration users would have been your best bet. I say this not because I want you to leave but because I believe you are beyond help here. If that insults any of the more experienced here I am sorry as its not meant to, but how many on here dive to 100+m on an RB. There is very little knowledge of the physiological effects in that type of diving and I would suggest its not on here anyway. There is a magazine called 550 or similar perhaps you need their help.
Take care
Matt