V-plan or GUE deco plan or ...

[misterfrogfish]

Thanks Steve,

Yes, it looks like the page has been updated and 'EU countries - add tax' has just been put in.

[Rod Abbotson]

If you like to spent your time decompressing in the water and not in the chamber purchase DecoCheck right away, if you must use V planner then whack up to level 5 on vpm/e which should be OK mostly! Not over about 80m and more than an hour deco though!
I use V planner for little dives and DecCheck for big ones. I check the little dives on Deco Planner 3 to see if there are any anomalies!
Rod

[Ferg3333]

Originally Posted by MonkeyPony

annoying thing about it is it calls dives 'missions' ??

Best left for heroes then

[nickb]

Originally Posted by Ferg3333

Best left for heroes then

I believe they call themselves 'Explorers'

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by KiwiMagic

Doesn't the warning put you off?

"This site is currently under development and the algorithms used are NOT fully tested. They have bugs. If you use them for a real dive you'll be dead."

What like this warning on V Planner?

HHS Software Corp, and the program author's, do not warrant that this program accurately reflects the Varying Permeability Model algorithms, that it won't get you bent or dead, or that it will produce safe, reliable results.

This dive schedule is experimental and you use it at your own risk. Diving in general is fraught with risk, and decompression diving adds significantly more risk. Deep diving utilizing multiple gasses, including helium, or rebreathers is about as risky as it gets.

V-Planner and the decompression schedules it produces are tools for experienced mixed-gas decompression divers ONLY. If you have not been properly trained in mixed-gas decompression diving by an internationally recognized technical certification agency and/or don't have a firm handle on decompression planning and mixed-gas diving, then DO NOT use this software.

In no event will HHS Software Corp, or the program authors be liable for any indirect, punitive, special, incidental or consequential damages however they may arise and even if HHS Software Corp, or program authors, have been previously advised of the possibility of such damages.

[misterfrogfish]

Not over about 80m and more than an hour deco though!


Rod, can you explain this a bit more?
My max dives have been to about 85msw, I hope get down to 100msw later in the year. Are you saying that V-planner should not be used past 80?

MFF.

[Rod Abbotson]

Rod, can you explain this a bit more?
My max dives have been to about 85msw, I hope get down to 100msw later in the year. Are you saying that V-planner should not be used past 80?

Hi,
Thats the same reason I started this discussion to find outwhat everyone else is up to.
I have been using v planner (now 3.83) version for the past four years and done around over 1000 deco dives planned with it from 30m down to 100m all with no problems.
I am now starting to plan some dives in the 100 - 150m range and have been informed by some parties that this would end me up in the chamber. They probably have a vested interest in deco check.

I wanted to put a feeler out to see what others think - my instinct tells me to stay with v planner especially since it now takes into account IBCD from the 3.81 version and later (I did some 100m dives on the 3.8 version with no probs that it wont allow now!

So anybody been doing a few dives with v planner in the 100-150m range OK Id like to here.

cheers
Rod

[Clare Gledhill]

Originally Posted by Rod Abbotson

If you like to spent your time decompressing in the water and not in the chamber purchase DecoCheck right away, if you must use V planner then whack up to level 5 on vpm/e which should be OK mostly! Not over about 80m and more than an hour deco though!

Originally Posted by Rod Abbotson

I have been using v planner (now 3.83) version for the past four years and done around over 1000 deco dives planned with it from 30m down to 100m all with no problems.

Make your mind up!

Like we are coming to expect from you, you make inflammatory statements about something (if I were Ross I'd be spitting feathers about your - "don't use it unless you want to end up in the chamber comment" Then when asked any questions or challenged you turn tail and say something completely different. You are posting as an instructor here, take a bit more care over your posts.

My standard deco planning software is deco planner. I'll check the results in v planner too. I dive neither profile but shape the results according to my training.

When planning a really big dive, which is outside my terms of reference, I'll take information from wherever it comes. Last year I had to plan for a dive which was around 90 minutes at depth with a max depth of 70 metres. V planner and deco planner disagreed by a whopping 45 minutes on the 6 metre stop. I had a look at Decocheck too courtesy of Milldog who sent me a copy. I'll use anything I can to collate information.

Inform yourself but seek to understand what the programes are telling you - apart from Isobaric Counter Diffusion - that's a load of crap unless you are diving stupid gases to stupid depths

[Rod Abbotson]

You are posting as an instructor here, take a bit more care over your posts.

Point taken, Ill try to steer clear of humour as it seems to upset some people which is not good! Ill try to remember this is not deep armchair which just seems to be a slagging match! That is not my intention.

My standard deco planning software is deco planner. I'll check the results in v planner too. I dive neither profile but shape the results according to my training.

I actually do the same only the other way around.

apart from Isobaric Counter Diffusion - that's a load of crap unless you are diving stupid gases to stupid depths

I had a big fight on this issue on my own forum last year after I used v planner3.8 and deco planner3 for 100m dive, got lots of flack for using air as a deco gas! (We did this with no problem) Now opinion out there seems to be changing - my stance was the same as yours above on this - now Im not sure - any other opinions out there??

[Garf]

Originally Posted by Rod Abbotson

I got lots of flack for using air as a deco gas! (We did this with no problem) Now opinion out there seems to be changing - my stance was the same as yours above on this - now Im not sure - any other opinions out there??

So you swapped from 14/33 to Air. What could possibly go wrong. It obviously worked for you, but it's too much of a spike for me.