Equipment Config simply wrong outside Florida?

[MATTBIN]

Originally Posted by Keith Whittaker

Agreed, but the Newbie now finds himself on the end of an extra long hose, probably not what they were expecting! They are also probably holding on tight to you, meaning that you now have a hose pulled around your neck and you still have none of the benefits of the long hose. Or am i missing something?

No. Dont dive with Newbies, But that is already a DIR Rule or something like that. The long hose when pulled should unfurl from around your neck so you dont have it strangling you. I of course have two long hoses as I dive indies, neither are wrapped around my neck but bungeed to the tanks so they come out when pulled, therein starts another thread Unless I am diving my other twinset (inverted and manifolded).

Matt

[Miss Roxy Chablis]

Originally Posted by nickb

Got any photos of Garf lying on top of Howard mate?

Chimp on chimp action eh - will there be any poo flinging - I do hope so

[Clare Gledhill]

Originally Posted by Howard Payne

Chimp on chimp action eh - will there be any poo flinging - I do hope so

I'm feeling rather ill.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill

I'm feeling rather ill.

The rest of this thread's giving me a headache too!

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Keith Whittaker

Agreed, but the Newbie now finds himself on the end of an extra long hose, probably not what they were expecting! They are also probably holding on tight to you, meaning that you now have a hose pulled around your neck and you still have none of the benefits of the long hose. Or am i missing something?

Surely a basic buddy check would have informed the "newbie" of what to expect regarding the long hose before entering the water?

My 12 year old daughter and I carried out OOA drills, 2 dives out of her OW course a couple of months ago. I took her short hose and buddy breathed for a minute or so, then we swapped and she took my my long hose. Her exact words were, "I want a long hose, you were too in my face!" She found it more comfortable to swim together this way. If that isn't an advert for the long hose I don't know what is

[Scuttler]

Originally Posted by Keith Whittaker

Agreed, but the Newbie now finds himself on the end of an extra long hose, probably not what they were expecting! They are also probably holding on tight to you, meaning that you now have a hose pulled around your neck and you still have none of the benefits of the long hose. Or am i missing something?

Newbie won't care how long the hose is, he's thankfull that he's got a breathable source again!

When the long hose is donated/taken you dip your head and the hose naturally passes over.

[Keith Whittaker]

Originally Posted by JAG

Surely a basic buddy check would have informed the "newbie" of what to expect regarding the long hose before entering the water?

No, My scenario involved a mixed boat of long hose divers and 'newbies'. The sort of grouping that occured on Aquanaut almost every weekend when I was a DMT.The OOA diver is not your buddy, just somebody else diving the same site who found you first.

[frosty the snowman]

Originally Posted by Steve S

Hi Rich,

years ago when I was first trained to do a CBL, I was taught to push the head back using the hand you are operating the casualties bc/wing inflate with and then keep it back while still able to use the inflator.

Safe diving,
Steve

P.S. It's easier to perform than explain

Yes, this is one of the variations in the CBL that I've taught for many years. Whether it's actually necessary is harder to answer since the expanding gas will follow the path of least resistance and my experience of working in anaesthetics has taught me that it's often easier for gas to come out than it is to get it to go in!

Well I'm not A DIR chap and really can't be bothered to multiply quote every thread so just some observations.

Obviously proper diving is conducted using rebreathers ( )however when I've been using that quaint open circuit stuff, I tend to breathe from the long hose, simply because without exception, every time I've encountered an out of gas diver, very little in the way of donation actually took place! On each occasion a distressed diver helped themselves to the reg in my mouth. I was very grateful that the long hose gave us enough separation to sort things out without having a panicking diver 6 inches from my mask.

[Keith Whittaker]

Originally Posted by Scuttler

When the long hose is donated/taken you dip your head and the hose naturally passes over.

Ahhhhh! its beginning to make sense now, Cheers.


Although i did have a mental image of OOA diver grabbing reg from your mouth and getting headbutted in return.

[thehappychappy]

Sometimes the debates on here are just a waste of space; others like this are mostly very interesting (with just the hint of poo).

From my own perspective:

I tried a one piece harness and couldn't get on with it, however I may have given in a little early so am prepared to try it again prior to doing the GUE Fundies course I have already signed up for. I don’t feel fanatical either way.

I've signed up for Fundies as I am interested in the cave diving reports I have read and fancy some of that for myself, I am not doing it just to be part of a certain crowd, It’s never been my styleee.


I already dive long primary hose, I was shown this on a check dive I did with a TDI Instructor, liked it and use it when diving my twins.

I don't use it diving singles because I have a different regulator set for that although would probably get a long hose for the octopus rather than the primary. Reason being if I am single cylinder diving it’s generally with very inexperienced divers and they will have only had training to go for the octopus.

I currently use an O'three msf500tb which I love, although I’m not adverse to buying a new RI :-)

I use a Greenforce F2 battery pack on my harness left hand side waist band and have the torch on a Goodman handle on my left hand (I am right handed but prefer to keep my right hand free for camera, using reels, hand signals etc). Am I adverse to changing it, err no, it’s only a light..

I only use one stage on a very small minority of my dives that I do and up to now it’s always been clipped on my right hand side, I thought this was a preference thing however was given guidance by a TDI Instructor that an easy way of remembering was Lean mix on the Left and Rich Mix on the Right. (compared to back gas), However my stage is Marked clearly with my NAME "GOW" and the MOD of my gas "21", I usually point to my stage, give the switching gas hand signal, turn on the gas, switch to it and then stow my long primary hose, then finally switch my computers gas mix.

At this time I also have twin tens with a remote lead and boots because they work for me at this point, tried 12's didn't like (admittedly only tried for about 20 dives).

As the OP on the curious thread, I must admit I am amazed at how much debate there seems to be.

Surely you choose your agency, skills and equipment to what suits you and when you buddy with somebody a buddy check covers your equipment and practices therefore allowing everybody to dive with everybody within qualifications, experience and conditions.

I work as a Freelance IS Technie, depending on what project for what customer I have different standards to adhere too, I know which ones I prefer but if I want to earn a wage I adhere to the ones my customer wants me to.

When I do my GUE Fundies I won’t exclusively dive with other GUE trained divers, it would be impractical and probably impossible, therefore limiting my dives and I don't want that, so i will take what I can from the course and keep an open mind. (note to self, book mark this post and quote it back to me at the end of October)

Diving surely is similar in that if I train within PADI, BSAC, SSA, SSI, CMAS, ScotSAC or A.N Other then I do what the guidelines / rules say I should.

If you’re not comfortable, capable, don't want to or not experienced enough to dive with somebody with a different kit or methods then don't do it, you must find these things out when diving with a new buddy or when starting any dive..Or am I missing about no Buddy checks from anybody that dives with people out with their own circles?


Davie.
"Dive school of the open minded"