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[RichardGreen]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

I am sure the irony of Richard, Steve and Mark discussing DIR protocols is somewhat lost on the OP



I would like to pick up on this point though..... No one, during the DIR training I have had, has told me specific pieces of kit I have to have. When I have asked questions then people will often recommend a particular piece of kit but if you ask why then they should be able to explain the attributes which make that particular piece of kit the one they choose to use and why it could be the piece of kit you choose to use.

Unfortunately to the outsider it looks like people are just copying .... and that misses the point of being a DIR diver. DIR diving is not about kit ... it just looks that way!! What is of greater importance are the procedures and protocols that support the use of that kit and ensure efficiency during the dive. It's this bit which many miss.

DIR diving is team diving .... you have something of value to contribute to the team and in return you get the benefits of team diving.

If you are the kind of person who puts your individual needs, wants, desires or preferences above the needs of the team then you are not a team diver and as a consequence are unlikely to find DIR diving to you taste.

If putting in a bit of practice to master the dSMB deployment with a spool is not something you are prepared to do, then you are not going to get far with DIR diving and consequently not get the benefit of team diving, at least not from DIR teams.

There is no compulsion to be a DIR diver though .... but if you want to gain the benefit that comes from DIR diving then you also accept some of the costs.

HTH
Mal

Mal


You ever considered taking up the cloth? You'd write a cracking sermon. Possibly the Mormon persuasion?


Richard

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by RichardGreen

Mal


You ever considered taking up the cloth? You'd write a cracking sermon. Possibly Mormon?


Richard

Not aimed at you Richard .... You are past redemption
Ma

[RichardGreen]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

Not aimed at you Richard .... You are past redemption
Ma

Well past Your post is a very measured descrpition though of a DIR approach to kit.


Richard

[gobfish1]

Mr. Green ,I’m gutted
I think mal maybe implying there is still hope for me?

[RichardGreen]

Originally Posted by gobfish1

Mr. Green ,I’m gutted
I think mal maybe implying there is still hope for me?

Your just written off by no mention, redemption for you is not even on the horizon.


Richard

[gobfish1]

Originally Posted by RichardGreen

Your just written off by no mention, redemption for you is not even on the horizon.


Richard

Praise the lord , i can keep my pink flippers then..

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

I am sure the irony of Richard, Steve and Mark discussing DIR protocols is somewhat lost on the OP



I would like to pick up on this point though..... No one, during the DIR training I have had, has told me specific pieces of kit I have to have. When I have asked questions then people will often recommend a particular piece of kit but if you ask why then they should be able to explain the attributes which make that particular piece of kit the one they choose to use and why it could be the piece of kit you choose to use.

Unfortunately to the outsider it looks like people are just copying .... and that misses the point of being a DIR diver. DIR diving is not about kit ... it just looks that way!! What is of greater importance are the procedures and protocols that support the use of that kit and ensure efficiency during the dive. It's this bit which many miss.

DIR diving is team diving .... you have something of value to contribute to the team and in return you get the benefits of team diving.

If you are the kind of person who puts your individual needs, wants, desires or preferences above the needs of the team then you are not a team diver and as a consequence are unlikely to find DIR diving to you taste.

If putting in a bit of practice to master the dSMB deployment with a spool is not something you are prepared to do, then you are not going to get far with DIR diving and consequently not get the benefit of team diving, at least not from DIR teams.

There is no compulsion to be a DIR diver though .... but if you want to gain the benefit that comes from DIR diving then you also accept some of the costs.

HTH
Mal

Yeah right


In truth there are good common sense reasons to match kit. So it can be any make of pathfinder copy reel you like as long as its a pathfinder. The situation is the same with most other aspects of DIR kit. Any torch you like as long as its a copy of the Halcyon design with Goodman's handle, umbilical head and waist mounted canister.

DSMB deployment with a spool is as easy if not easier than using a reel. So there is no additional skill/practice required. If you get one of the durall spools you can attach the spool and inflate the SMB and let it and the spool go and it deploys its self.

The reason its a daft bit of kit is the hassle involved with reeling up from 30-40m manually winding line round a spool. I have done it several times and I have to say its the single most stupid idea I have ever herd.

When DIR first hit the headlines over hear the schpiel was, Minimise Kit. So if you dont need a large wreck reel dont take one. The sugestion was, do a free ascent and then deploy the SMB from the shalow stops using a spool.

Thats fine but it didnt work doing shalow deployments in the UK so they ended up getting bigger spools and deploying them from 30m+ which is a daft idea and never the origional intent.

I always carry a Pathfinder in the UK because i never know what the viz is going to be. I would rather lay line to avoid accidental penetration of a wreck than have to abort the dive because the viz is less than 3m. As a result its always there so why not use it.

To the best of my knowladge there is noting in the DUR rules that say you cant use a reel for SMB work if you have one with you? I certainly know more than one DIR divers who always use a reel to send up SMBs

In red sea conditions where I dont carry a Pathfinder ill use a spool but ill deploy from 12-15m to avoid the brain numbing frustration of manually winding up 30-40m of line.

ATB

Mark

[neilh]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

So it can be any make of pathfinder copy reel you like as long as its a pathfinder.

Hmmm - except that it doesn't have to be a pathfinder - my Salvo reel is perfectly acceptable too

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

The reason its a daft bit of kit is the hassle involved with reeling up from 30-40m manually winding line round a spool. I have done it several times and I have to say its the single most stupid idea I have ever herd.

Erm... so don't send it up from 40M with a spool, send it up from 21M when you've slowed the ascent and have some stops anyway

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

Thats fine but it didnt work doing shalow deployments in the UK so they ended up getting bigger spools and deploying them from 30m+ which is a daft idea and never the origional intent.

Are you sure that's true Mark - I've certainly never deployed an SMB from 30M+ up here and I'm not sure that this is standard practice down South either. I'm sure there are some occasional exceptions, but I'm not sure your statement of it not working in the UK is true.

[pawel]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

Yeah right


In truth there are good common sense reasons to match kit. So it can be any make of pathfinder copy reel you like as long as its a pathfinder. The situation is the same with most other aspects of DIR kit. Any torch you like as long as its a copy of the Halcyon design with Goodman's handle, umbilical head and waist mounted canister.

DSMB deployment with a spool is as easy if not easier than using a reel. So there is no additional skill/practice required. If you get one of the durall spools you can attach the spool and inflate the SMB and let it and the spool go and it deploys its self.

The reason its a daft bit of kit is the hassle involved with reeling up from 30-40m manually winding line round a spool. I have done it several times and I have to say its the single most stupid idea I have ever herd.

When DIR first hit the headlines over hear the schpiel was, Minimise Kit. So if you dont need a large wreck reel dont take one. The sugestion was, do a free ascent and then deploy the SMB from the shalow stops using a spool.

Thats fine but it didnt work doing shalow deployments in the UK so they ended up getting bigger spools and deploying them from 30m+ which is a daft idea and never the origional intent.

I always carry a Pathfinder in the UK because i never know what the viz is going to be. I would rather lay line to avoid accidental penetration of a wreck than have to abort the dive because the viz is less than 3m. As a result its always there so why not use it.

To the best of my knowladge there is noting in the DUR rules that say you cant use a reel for SMB work if you have one with you? I certainly know more than one DIR divers who always use a reel to send up SMBs

In red sea conditions where I dont carry a Pathfinder ill use a spool but ill deploy from 12-15m to avoid the brain numbing frustration of manually winding up 30-40m of line.

ATB

Mark

I couldn't agree more.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by neilh

Hmmm - except that it doesn't have to be a pathfinder - my Salvo reel is perfectly acceptable too

Yeah, but they talk about you behind your back

Originally Posted by neilh

Are you sure that's true Mark - I've certainly never deployed an SMB from 30M+ up here and I'm not sure that this is standard practice down South either. I'm sure there are some occasional exceptions, but I'm not sure your statement of it not working in the UK is true.

I've been asked by the skipper (i.e. told) to bag-off from the wreck, I'm sure many others here have too.