what is DIR

[ianfirmin]

Exactly! This is how the military works. Great if you always dive with the same team.

Theoretically it also works if you dive with other DIR trained (and competent) people.

Thus, you have to make a commitment to go down that path, preferably with your mates as well. For many people this is just not possible.

Thus many people, myself included, take and use bits from the DIR system but do not subscribe to the whole thing.

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by Garf

Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis.

The postman has hidden your Nescafe Latte ?


Mal

I know what it means really

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

The postman has hidden your Nescafe Latte ?


Mal

And the postman has also hidden Garf's Latin dictionary. It's "potestatem" not "postatem."

Do I get a pedant point for that?

Janos

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by Janos

And the postman has also hidden Garf's Latin dictionary. It's "potestatem" not "postatem."

Do I get a pedant point for that?

Janos

Apparently not .... "Postatem" is the Chusrch Latin shortening for "potestatem".



Mal

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

Apparently not .... "Postatem" is the Chusrch Latin shortening for "potestatem".

I'm not accepting one dodgy googled quote as evidence Mal. You're going to need to find something more authorative than that!

Janos

[MarkP]

Originally Posted by ianfirmin

I currently do not subscribe to the DIR way of doing things for a number of reasons but mainly because I can't bring myself to trust anyone else sufficiently. Every dive I do I consider to be a solo dive. Hey, if someone is diving with me and I can help them out or they can help me then that's great. But... I can NEVER bring myself to rely on them.

I think that's one of the misconceptions about teamwork. Teamwork rocks and makes a dive easier and safer.

But it doesn't mean relying on your team. It does mean a reduction in task loading and a preparedness to help the others. You must be equipped both kit-wise and mentally to finish the dive alone should the need arise. The practice means this should never occur, but it still be accepted as a possibility.

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by Janos

I'm not accepting one dodgy googled quote as evidence Mal. You're going to need to find something more authorative than that!

Janos

More authorative than Google?

[nickb]

Originally Posted by Madfish

We may have to reconsider your membership of Team Hollywood

Originally Posted by Madfish

(wow, I do look cross in that photo........)

Mean & Moody dahling, Mean & Moody

[Janos]

Originally Posted by MarkP

I think that's one of the misconceptions about teamwork. Teamwork rocks and makes a dive easier and safer.

But it doesn't mean relying on your team. It does mean a reduction in task loading and a preparedness to help the others. You must be equipped both kit-wise and mentally to finish the dive alone should the need arise. The practice means this should never occur, but it still be accepted as a possibility.

Precisely. And including the bit about the preparedness to help others.

Janos

[neilh]

Originally Posted by ianfirmin

I currently do not subscribe to the DIR way of doing things for a number of reasons but mainly because I can't bring myself to trust anyone else sufficiently. Every dive I do I consider to be a solo dive. Hey, if someone is diving with me and I can help them out or they can help me then that's great. But... I can NEVER bring myself to rely on them.

Originally Posted by MarkP

But it doesn't mean relying on your team. It does mean a reduction in task loading and a preparedness to help the others.

Mark's spot on - the team element of DIR is not about taking away the individual divers abilities. You all have to be able to carry out all the tasks in order to share what needs to be done or to step in to help out as necessary. If it really turns to poo you still need to be able to sort yourself out and get out safely.

You should be able to work out your deco, shoot a bag, handle the ascent, switch to your deco gas, etc, etc - but if you can share some of those tasks around the team and reduce the task loading then why not?

There is an important point of trust though - if you don't trust the other people in the team to be able to do the tasks then the whole thing falls apart...