what is DIR

[tootricky]

Originally Posted by Steve S

Hi Neil,

I understand that rational but what if you 'lose' the rest of your team and find yourself on your own needing a spool/reel/blob/mask or any other 'team' resource? I know GUE prides itself on buddy awareness but sh*t happens and happens when you least expect it.

Safe diving,
Steve

Originally Posted by Steve S

Hi Mark,

very unlikely, but not beyond the realms of possibility......as I understood Neil's post, was that he didn't need to take a spare ? as another would be available in the team.

I prefer to take everything with me that I could possibly need [within reason ] and expect my buddy to do the same, and any other way is tempting Murphy's law too much for my liking

Safe diving,
Steve

Originally Posted by neilh

That's not "the GUE approach" at all Mark. The GUE approach is that whatever the team carries makes up the team resources so I don't have my spare mask in my pocket I have a spare mask. If the team decides that it isn't necessary for everyone to carry spare reels then that's fine it's a team decision. However if you're doing a dive that a reel is essential for then you may decide as a team that you want more than one spare between you.

Steve, what Neil says is that the spare mask in his pocket is not his spare but the team's spare. This goes for all members of the team. Unless decided otherwise, all members carry spare equipment which is available for any member of the team.

Cheers/Nic

[Steve S]

Originally Posted by tootricky

Steve, what Neil says is that the spare mask in his pocket is not his spare but the team's spare. This goes for all members of the team. Unless decided otherwise, all members carry spare equipment which is available for any member of the team.

Cheers/Nic

Cheers Nic, that'll teach me to multitask so IYE do most DIR divers carry a spare mask and spool/blob etc, each?

Safe diving,
Steve

[neilh]

Originally Posted by MarkP

You have your own spare. Neil's point is that your spare could be used by any of your team if they screw up and lose theirs, providing it's not going to compromise your safety.

Not quite - they can use it if they screw up and lose theirs full stop. I'm not going to refuse to help out just in case I need my spare mask later

Originally Posted by Steve S

Hi Neil,

I understand that rational but what if you 'lose' the rest of your team and find yourself on your own needing a spool/reel/blob/mask or any other 'team' resource? I know GUE prides itself on buddy awareness but sh*t happens and happens when you least expect it.

Very true - but you would assess the risk of that situation happening and plan accordingly. Given UK conditions for instance you would find that everyone in a team has a spool and smb, sometimes someone carries a spare spool. Most skippers that we dive with are happy with one SMB per team being used so that actually gives us two spare spools and SMBs providing the team stays together. The risk of having to surface without an SMB means that it's prudent for us all to take one.

If you do get separated from the team for any reason what's the chance of you losing your mask as well? If it's high enough then take a spare.

[MattS]

Originally Posted by Garf

This is an interesting comment. I think interesting because doesn't everyone feel this way?

Development of a technical diver

Part 1: Ooh isn't this scuba larks a lot of fun
Part 2: I am just so much better than those part time divers
Part 3: I need to start diving deep so everyone can see I am serious
Part 4: Bugger this is bloody dangerous
Part 5: I am getting worried.
Part 6: I need someone with immense experience to tell me I am safe

And this is where the paths digress.
Doint It Right
DIR1: What do I need to do to be safe.
DIR2: Much practise in quarries
DIR3: I must now be safe
DIR4: And my team will make me safer
DIR5: Tell everyone how safe I am

Doing It Wrong
DIW1: No one can tell you you are safe.
DIW2: Learn from mistakes.
DIW3: I am as safe as I can be but I still make mistakes.
DIW4: I refuse to make my mistakes someone elses problem.
DIW5: Learn from other peoples mistakes.

Years later the paths converge again
BOTH: It's bloody hazardous, I am still alive.
BOTH: I hope I am not getting complacent.
BOTH: I don't give a fig what you think of my diving.
BOTH: I really don't care how you dive or how safe you think you are.
BOTH: If it kills me, it kills me and I will die with many happy memories.

This is not supposed to be inflammotary.

[tootricky]

Originally Posted by Steve S

Cheers Nic, that'll teach me to multitask so IYE do most DIR divers carry a spare mask and spool/blob etc, each?

Safe diving,
Steve

Apparently only women multitask; walking and chewing, driving and applying make-up, and such like

The guys that I dive with all carry spares. After an incident last year I always carry a spare blob and spool.

Cheers/Nic

[gwilson]

Originally Posted by macstinator

While not anti anything diving, and seeing no point to any of the politics involved in the sport, I can see why the whole ethos attracts a bad rep.

Now I know DIR is all about a holistic, team based approach to diving, George Irvine et al do appear to be a bit holier than thou. They don't like CCR, rebreathers, other than RB80 clones, computers etc etc.

This can be a bit elitist to the noobies amongst us.

I wonder if there are other sports with as much political nonsense as diving?

If there was a DIR day up in Scotland I may get involved, but there isnt.

I'll be more than happy to go for a dive with you as your in my neck of the woods, drop me a pm and we'll try and get something sorted.

[MarkP]

Originally Posted by Steve S

so IYE do most DIR divers carry a spare mask and spool/blob etc, each?

Yes.

(That's the shortest answert I've given. Up to this bit.)

[Woz]

Originally Posted by tootricky

Apparently only women multitask; walking and chewing, driving and applying make-up, and such like

They only multi-task cos they're not attentive enough to concentrate on one thing properly.