what is DIR

[Bottle Maker]

I am some what anti DIR However I do not know that much about it, I know there is a weekend in early November where I could find out more unfortunatly I cannot make that weekend is there another days planned as an introduction to DIR?

Graham

[Adrian Kelland]

Graham,

How can you be anti, or for for that matter, something about you know very little?

Anyway, I'm sure you will get plenty of answers soon though.

Adrian

[Tricky]

I don't know about a weekend in November, but there's a big DIR gig at Stoney the weekend of the dive show.

Do you mind if I ask why you're anti-DIR?

[Mal Bridgeman]

Graham

I am running a Discover DIR day at Gildenburgh on 3rd Nov.....but am likely to be there over the winter .... if you want to hook up then let me know and we'll fix a date up.

I would also be interested in what you find in DIR to be against. In essence it's a system of diving designed to generate safe diving practices through training divers to a high level of proficiency.....

Let me know when you are free in December and we'll try to hook up.
Mal

[Bottle Maker]

My experience of DIR is lots of WE ARE BEST then when I have talked to the divers with all the black kit they do not have a great deal of dives under there belts, however I am prepared to listen an possibly change my opinion. Unfortunatly I can not make Stoney as I am weather depent diving out of Eastbourne.

Graham.

[Bardo]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

I would also be interested in what you find in DIR to be against. In essence it's a system of diving designed to generate safe diving practices through training divers to a high level of proficiency.....

Reading between the lines, I get the impression that it's not DIR that Bottle Maker is 'anti' but the personalities that he's encountered so far. DIR has a hell of a lot to offer but unfortunately it does tend to engender a sense of misplaced elitism in a sad few - it's these individuals that unfortunately give DIR a bad name...

As others have said, perhaps Bottlemaker should meet up with some of the more 'human' members of the DIR fraternity - the Chimps, for example - and let them give him an insight into what it's all about...

[Tricky]

Originally Posted by Bardo

...the Chimps, for example...

Indeed. The least elitist bunch you'd ever meet

[Mark Chase]

As a one time DIR anti-Christ my self and lately full time CCR diver, you will appreciate I should be bias away from DIR rather than toward it. I also started diving in 1989 so I have got wet once or twice, especially today when my pee valve failed during my two hours of deco.

Yet despite all that I would say GUE (DIR) has a hell of a lot to offer and the DIR gigs at stony are fantastic. The line laying workshop is a must and the discussion on core beliefs is very interesting.

Yes, some people learn the system and argue its merits from a position of ignorance (lack of experience) but if you meet a DIR diver who has a lot of experience he will put forward very convincing arguments for the same points.

They don't do proper CCR but if they did id be signing up. As it is i just nick several of their concepts and integrate them into what I do when I dive with my regular buddies.


ATB

Mark

[macstinator]

While not anti anything diving, and seeing no point to any of the politics involved in the sport, I can see why the whole ethos attracts a bad rep.

Now I know DIR is all about a holistic, team based approach to diving, George Irvine et al do appear to be a bit holier than thou. They don't like CCR, rebreathers, other than RB80 clones, computers etc etc.

This can be a bit elitist to the noobies amongst us.

I wonder if there are other sports with as much political nonsense as diving?

If there was a DIR day up in Scotland I may get involved, but there isnt.

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by macstinator

While not anti anything diving, and seeing no point to any of the politics involved in the sport, I can see why the whole ethos attracts a bad rep.

Now I know DIR is all about a holistic, team based approach to diving, George Irvine et al do appear to be a bit holier than thou. They don't like CCR, rebreathers, other than RB80 clones, computers etc etc.

This can be a bit elitist to the noobies amongst us.

I wonder if there are other sports with as much political nonsense as diving?

If there was a DIR day up in Scotland I may get involved, but there isnt.

I don't understand why that is regarded as elitest or politic. They have a rationale for holding those opinions so I think it's really good to look at why they hold those opinions and then people can make up their own minds ... to me that's a worthwhile debate.

As to George Irvine .... well..... I would strongly recommended reading the stuff by Jarrod Jablonski .... his style is so much more conducive

Mal