Learning GUE Principals without Kit Issues

[finbar.taylor]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

No offense M8 but posts like this make me screeeeeeeem and bite the edge of the table


There really is no middle ground here, your either DIR or your not. If your not then there is nothing GUE have to offer that will be of any use at all.

Sorry Mark but I think your talking bollocks

I'm not GUE/DIR and never will be and still found the fundies course very interesting and have used and will continue to use many aspects from the course

Fin

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by finbar.taylor

Sorry Mark but I think your talking bollocks

I'm not GUE/DIR and never will be and still found the fundies course very interesting and have used and will continue to use many aspects from the course

Fin

Is that so?

So, what aspects of GUE training (that dont rely on you being fully DIR) do you now use that can not be found in other training systems?

I did GUE DIRF as well and i cant think of any at all.

ATB

MArk

[finbar.taylor]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

Is that so?

So, what aspects of GUE training (that dont rely on you being fully DIR) do you now use that can not be found in other training systems?

I did GUE DIRF as well and i cant think of any at all.

ATB

MArk

Not exclusivly GUE but the team awareness is somthing that many people have subsequently commented on me having improved since attending the course.

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by finbar.taylor

Not exclusivly GUE but the team awareness is somthing that many people have subsequently commented on me having improved since attending the course.

But i did that in PADI OW???

You see this is what makes me so angry. People spouting the GUE course will teach you magical things when in fact it just points out the blindingly bloody obvious.

Buddy skills (thease days refered to by the far more coooool term of "team awairness") are at the core of all diver training with the possable exception of the Solo Diver course.

Why is it that people beleive attending this course will improve such skills? why dont you just decide one day to be a better buddy and then just go do it? Same with boyancy and trim, same with safety drills, same with gas planning.

DIRF may be a revilation to a diver whos previously PADI AOW, but for any one with any training that is designed for a twin set they will lern nothing except how to dive with another GUE diver to GUE standards.

Its a great course but IMHO should only be undertaken for one of two reasions.

1: to become a 100% DIR diver or

2: To lern what DIR is all about and see if you want to be a 100% DIR diver.


I fell into group 2, and if I quit CCR ill be going for full on DIR diver.

ATB

Mark

[Scubee]

Am I too late to pass round the popcorn?

[Fiona]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

But i did that in PADI OW???

DIRF may be a revilation to a diver whos previously PADI AOW, but for any one with any training that is designed for a twin set they will lern nothing except how to dive with another GUE diver to GUE standards.

Mark

Blimey I should have done PADI OW and saved myself a fortune

[Digger]

I suppose the OP question is a lot like "Can I turn up for an Inspiration course without a unit?" and I guess the answer is yes. Most of the drills won't work, but you sure will learn a lot from watching other people doing them, and how the thing works. Ultimately you won't get nearly as much out of it as if you'd got a unit to use so that you could join in, and it would be unreasonable to ask an instructor to change all the drills for you to be able to do them without the equipment you need for the course.

The reality is the gear is a small part of it, but without that starting point there isn't a massive amount I can see you coming away with.

And there isn't anything a GUE diver has ever taught me that I hadn't read or learned from courses or from just going diving. The reality is that many people who do fundies didn't get the same quality of training I and obviously Mark has had over the years, and as a result the Fundies course has a place.

Bearing in mind I've never done the course, I guess my opinion's probably worth what you paid for it, but this seems to be the consensus every time I try and sign up and dive the Inspo for 4 days

Digs.

[Fiona]

Originally Posted by Digger

And there isn't anything a GUE diver has ever taught me that I hadn't read or learned from courses or from just going diving. The reality is that many people who do fundies didn't get the same quality of training I and obviously Mark has had over the years, and as a result the Fundies course has a place.

Digs.

Bollocks.

Maybe if you did a course you would learn something about "good old buddy diving", I recall a dive I did with you and Jen last year, you and Jen were supposed to be a buddy pair - you finned off without a backward glance.

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Fiona

Bollocks.

Maybe if you did a course you would learn something about "good old buddy diving", I recall a dive I did with you and Jen last year, you and Jen were supposed to be a buddy pair - you finned off without a backward glance.

A DIR diver TECH1 did this to me in Stony Cove I seem to remember Andy Carrol was less than impressed with him


BSAC Sports Diver Training manual Page 120

SAFE OPEN WATER DIVING

The Buddy Diving System

The buddy Diving System is by definition a pair of divers oporating as a single unit, each being responsible for the others safety both above and below the water. It is one of the most basic safety precautions in Sports diving.


PADI Open Water Training manual Page 54

The Buddy System

You and your buddy have a responsibuility to each other. For the Buddy system to work you must take it seriously (but still have fun) and work at staying together underwater


I put them both up as i wasent sure if it was a PADI or a BSAC instructor you hadent listened to before. Out of curiosity why do you feel the GUE instructor saying this has any more impact?


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Mark

[Garf]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

I put them both up as i wasent sure if it was a PADI or a BSAC instructor you hadent listened to before. Out of curiosity why do you feel the GUE instructor saying this has any more impact?

Probably because the team ethos is perfused throughout every drill, process, procedure and course. Everything involves the team. The team do valve drills the team do S drills. You are more likely to be picked up for poor teamwork than anything else. This is NOt the case with the examples you describe above, although TDI do teach self sufficiency within a team environment, and Mark Powell does a great job of encouraging people to be aware of, and work within, a team.