BSAC and DIR

[RichW]

Originally Posted by Narked@50

Just an observation, I am happy to dive with either, but I get the feeling the DIR guys would not dive with me? Pity.

James

Why do you think that? I have never had an issue diving within my club. Sure, lots of them aren't "DIR", but that doesn't make them unsafe divers. There are dives I will do with anyone in my club and there are dives I will do with a few members of my club. On the other side of the argument, there are dives that I won't do unless the diver was GUE trained and I know them well, but that doesn't always exclude members of my club.

I'm still a member of my BSAC club, and don't have any problem with it. In fact the number of members that I will dive the more "serious" dives with is beginning to grow as a result of it, and that has to be a good thing for me.

Cheers,

Rich

[And]

Originally Posted by RichW

Why do you think that? I have never had an issue diving within my club. Sure, lots of them aren't "DIR", but that doesn't make them unsafe divers. There are dives I will do with anyone in my club and there are dives I will do with a few members of my club. On the other side of the argument, there are dives that I won't do unless the diver was GUE trained and I know them well, but that doesn't always exclude members of my club.

I'm still a member of my BSAC club, and don't have any problem with it. In fact the number of members that I will dive the more "serious" dives with is beginning to grow as a result of it, and that has to be a good thing for me.

Cheers,

Rich

I agree Rich.

In my club I'm not sure whether anyone knows of DIR or not, I tend to just say it is cave diving based and as I am the only guy with twinsets, trimix, cave training etc. then the relationship with my club has stayed the same.

I have no problems with diving with club members and 'non-DIR' divers. I just do different dives with those divers than I do with my fellow DIR buddies, but again, my BSAC club members aren't really interested in doing the more serious dives I do. I think its a good balance.

BSAC HQ is a whole different kettle of fish

Andy

[Mark]

I don't have a problem doing shallow easy dives with recreational BSAC divers from my club either but my Tech-1 level DIR diving and skills sessions with Andy must always get the priority as that is the type of diving I prefer and want to be doing. No one else at the club has been trained above advanced nitrox level so I couldn't do more challenging dives with them, even if I wanted to.

I am not interested in doing any more BSAC training. I have got to DL and I have done the AD theory lessons (need to take the exam and do the rescue to pass - probably won't bother now though). I have also done IFC and the OWIC.

My club is also very cliquey (which is amusing) and political and I am just not interested in all that crap.

Regards,

Mark.

[Paul Beal]

I think that unless you have a very cliquely club or a particularly militant DO you should be fine as long as you either have a DIR buddy in the club or are happy to dive with someone who is not necessarily DIR.

The things to think about are that BSAC do not allow you to teach donation of the primary so when you are teaching you need to have an octo - this is not the case on branch dives (in my club anyway). In addition, BSAC have adopted an max ppO2 of 1.4 so you can't deco on 100% oxygen at 6m or use 50% at 21m.

Paul

[Janos]

I think there's no problem in diving DIR in a BSAC club. Teaching issues have been mentioned elsewhere. I think the biggest problem would be lack of buddies. Personally I've never seen a 'true' DIR buddy team on any boat I've ever dived on, and I've only ever met one DIR diver and that was down the pub.

But if you find DIR buddies then there's no reason why you can't go for it.

Laters,
Janos

[RichW]

Originally Posted by Janos

IPersonally I've never seen a 'true' DIR buddy team on any boat I've ever dived on,

LOL! You won't have, by definition ;-)

It doesn't mean they don't exist, though.

Rich

[CALLISTO]

I have to say that I have no problem diving within the club with most people, and there are now quite a number of us GUE Trained , people within the club can see the merits of certain aspects of DIR

However i feel that things may change ,the long hose and donating the primary seems to an issue

I feel that there is scope for both diving styles in the recreational range and deeper depending on the diver,to dive side by side providing people have an open mind

I enjoy the weekends away camping and diving and being social within the club
just hoping that people higher within Bsac can be open minded enough to accept some /most aspects of diving are changing

Although i have not been diving long it is apparent that Bsac have been slow to adopt new ideas over the years which does bother me slightly
Things cannot stay the same forever as we would have gas lamps in the street ...things evolve

However heres hoping a mole hill does not grow into a mountain

Andy

PS Really do not want this thread to turn into a DIR V Bsac slanging match

[CALLISTO]

PS I have to say I am impressed with the attitude of the likes of Rich W ,AK And especially Andy Carroll with their helpful andreasoned approach to DIR and the rest of the Diving fraternity. It is far better than the rants and abrasive attitudes of certain individuals that caused problems IE GI3..but lets not go down that route!!!!

[Paul Evans]

Originally Posted by CALLISTO

PS I have to say I am impressed with the attitude of the likes of Rich W ,AK And especially Andy Carroll with their helpful andreasoned approach to DIR and the rest of the Diving fraternity.

I'll second that

[Ian@1904]

We have a very small dive club and a very good DO. (If we are stupid he points out the error of our ways, but never in public, and no one has ever fallen out with him)

However, he is not happy with DIR. We have two senior members who have gone down the DIR route. DO main concern being primary reg donation. I have some sympathy with this when novice divers are out with the DIR chaps.

Personally it does not give me a problem and I dive with DIR divers quite often.