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    Chatting with JJ: An article by David Strike

    Hi

    I saw this a little while ago and thought it was a really good read. So here you have the opportunity to discuss it.

    Chatting with J.J.
    - Jarrod Jablonski and G.U.E.
    - David Strike


    There would be few people of modern times whose influence on diving has been as profound as that of Jarrod Jablonski. Widely regarded as one of the world’s most capable and talented exploration divers - and playing an instrumental role in redefining the attitudes that we should all show towards the activity - the organisation that he founded, Global Underwater Explorers, is now justifiably regarded as a major force in diving.

    A gifted thinker who leads by example, and one who encourages others to question and consider their beliefs about diving, his recent visit to Sydney provided the opportunity to catch up on all that’s been happening since our last meeting.

    Jarrod Jablonski

    Standing at the cutting edge of extreme exploration, Jarrod Jablonski, is a graduate of the University of Florida with degrees in English and Geology; the President and C.E.O. of dive equipment companies, Halcyon Manufacturing and Extreme Exposure; and the President and founder of, Global Underwater Explorers (GUE), a non-profit research, exploration and education organisation whose technical diver training programmes - from entry level through to advanced exploration - are setting new standards of proficiency.

    Better known, perhaps, in his role as Training Director for the Woodville Karst Plain Project, (an on-going exploration of the limestone cave systems that lie beneath the water-table in South Florida), Jarrod has also served as the Training Director for the National Association of Cave Diving; been a Board Member for both the NACD and NSS-CDS; and Training Committee member for the National Speleological Society – Cave Diving Section.

    As Project Leader and Dive Leader for numerous domestic and international research assignments, (with several thousand dives focusing on long range, deep exploration activities) he has performed many hundreds of extreme exposures utilising mixed gases, stage decompression, rebreathers, and underwater propulsion vehicles, and holds the dual records for the world’s longest and deepest cave diving penetrations, a staggering underwater distance of 19,400 feet at a depth of 300 feet, established in 1998 together with, WKPP Project Director, George Irvine.

    An articulate and leading proponent of a system that is gradually revolutionising the attitude that many have towards diving, Jarrod Jablonski – or JJ as he is most often called – is credited with helping to formulate and popularise DIR (“Doing It Right”); a philosophical approach to diving that is attracting considerable attention - and one whose purpose is frequently misunderstood.

    Q. In the year that's passed since we last chatted, what developments have taken place as far as G.U.E.'s Training Programmes are concerned?

    The two most notable developments within GUE’s training curriculum include an organizational change and the success of our Triox program.
    At the organizational level, I have assumed the role as Director of Training, with Andrew Georgitsis as Technical Training Director and David Rhea as Cave Training Director. As our recreational programs evolve we will ultimately appoint a Recreational Training Director. This move keeps me intimately involved in our training programs while allowing each director to focus upon their area of expertise. It also means that, I can assist in maintaining consistency within each program without weighing down any one individual with too many responsibilities.

    Our training programs and materials are designed with great attention to the synergy between them. GUE believes that the fundamental skills employed in diving are very similar across multiple environments; once the capacity to master these skills is attained, the individual should then be able to focus upon the variations present within a particular diving environment.

    Meanwhile the Triox program has proven to be exceptionally successful. For GUE this represents an opportunity to school divers in solid diving practices used by divers in general, and in particular by those recreational divers interested in deeper depths.



    Q. You - as well as key G.U.E. members - have spent considerable time travelling and teaching the G.U.E. Programmes. What level of acceptance are they receiving around the world?

    The response to GUE courses has been phenomenal. Our only limitation is our ability to respond to the demand for training. We refuse to accelerate instructor training merely to meet this demand; something that we view as capitulating to market forces and that only encourages the erosion of quality.

    Regarding GUE training, the plan has always been to set a previously unthinkable level of quality that would show the success of such a concept and to encourage others, (through competition and the realization of its possibility) to follow a similar route. It becomes much easier to follow an idea that shows traction.

    The industry has largely assumed that people would not tolerate training that was thorough and challenging. When it is shown that people appreciate value, others are more likely to follow suit; this paradigm becomes more popular as desirability is created among the diving public. I never intended GUE to train the masses directly but, by association, I am confident that we can assist in raising the bar across the entire industry.



    Q. One of the criticisms frequently levelled at D.I.R. - often indirectly - is that the standards are too high! How do you respond to such comments?


    We believe that our standards reflect a sensible level of performance. This expected performance is adjusted in relation to the environment and the dive undertaken. People tend to expect very little from divers; this is because the industry has, historically, sought to accelerate diver training as a way of encouraging participation. All things being equal, individuals tend to prefer diver training with a limited time obligation and lengthy training courses will deter some participants.

    However, those people prepared to invest longer time in properly absorbing the training are more capable, are safer, have more fun, and are more likely to continue in the activity.

    By giving preference to speedy courses the industry encourages divers to imagine that this option is in their best interest. The diver is not aware that more training time actually allows for more fun; therefore, multiple forces place additional pressure on the trend toward faster training.

    Over time those things that expand the time necessary for diver training are removed. For example, many agencies now require fewer skills (such as buddy breathing and proper buoyancy). Eventually the expected bar is lowered in relation to the potential capacity of a carefully trained diver.

    Instead GUE believes that diving skills, such as reasonable proficiency in buoyancy control, are not optional. The length of a training program should be based around the time it takes a diver to gain solid capacity in all fundamental diving skills; training time should not be based upon a schedule that maximizes profit or diver participation. I appreciate that this is in no way a trivial request. Nonetheless, GUE offers an option for divers that appreciate this rationale.



    Q. Halcyon diving equipment has become synonymous with D.I.R. As the CEO of Halcyon, do pragmatic business considerations ever oblige you to compromise on quality and functionality of the equipment that you make?

    I am not inclined to compromise quality, because that is the ethos upon which Halcyon was founded. This identity is an integral part of our success and our commitment.

    It is amazing how very small changes in expenditure ripple through a product, making it more expensive to the end user. However, these changes result in a product that can be of very high quality while not being unreasonably more expensive. Our customers are willing to pay slightly more for additional quality. Forsaking our customers, or our identity as a company, has never seemed a reasonable course of action.


    Q. As an equipment item, rebreathers have exercised an enormous fascination among some sectors of the technical diving community. What are your personal views on rebreathers? The uses to which they're put? And theirrole in the future of exploration diving?



    Rebreathers are remarkable tools that far too many people confuse with a fun toy. I am uncommon in my belief that they will always be a small part of diving. If they exceed 25% representation, I will be amazed. Few divers have any real use for rebreathers and do not dive frequently enough to remain conversant in their peculiarities. People like new things and manufacturers always seek new revenue centres; however, the average recreational diver gets very little benefit from their use, and a notable increase in complexity that translates to additional risk.

    However, frequent divers with a particular need for rebreathers will continue to benefit from the manufacturer’s race toward building a better rebreather.


    Q. Has the RB-80 lived up to your expectations? And what sets it apart from more widely used and marketed machines?


    Halcyon rebreathers arose from our basic mistrust of complexity. Our focus on simple but elegant solutions result in systems that provide great benefit with minimized risk. We do not actively promote the Halcyon rebreather because we just don’t see a need within the recreational community. However, experienced divers find that the RB80 is unique in both its capacity and its ease of use.

    It is our belief that the complexity of most technical rebreathers creates disproportionate risk with very little practical gain. Likewise, the simplest of the “recreational” rebreathers (if there is such a thing?) create dangerous assumptions about how a dive is going to progress.

    One has to understand that our focus is not on promoting the common use of rebreathers. Therefore, we are considered particularly conservative within the diving industry - and especially within the rebreather industry.



    Q. Many of the techniques - particularly as regards decompression – that you have helped pioneer, are still questioned by certain pockets of the diving community. How do you respond to people critical of the procedures that you have successfully followed? And what are your views on the reliance that many divers place on dive computers?


    The decompression schedules followed by most individuals are necessarily confining because they have to work for everyone. This is a bit like trying to make anything to a, “one-size-fits-all” standard. These efforts always succeed in the general, but fail in the specific.
    Decompression works well in that it will keep the vast majority of divers safe in the vast majority of situations. However, decompression is an infinitely variable process and is probably not truly describable in any global way. By this I mean that there is an extreme variation between the ways that individuals respond to a particular dive.

    There is also a notable variation in how one person will respond to the same dive over various exposures. Variables such as height, weight, fitness, genetics, physiology, previous injuries, ascent rate, gasses breathed, etc., all impact on the decompression schedule.

    Many of these variations are important only if you are trying to maximize the time a diver spends diving, but reduce the time spent in decompression. Theoretically it may be possible to eventually get much closer in this regard for one individual. But with so many variables to consider it is likely to be impossible to generate any truly objective measure of a divers required decompression schedule.

    This process results in dive schedules that are probably far too conservative for many divers, but barely conservative enough for some. I doubt that it is possible to have much impact on this reality. However, divers that have a compelling reason to push this limit may discover significant reductions in their decompression times, although some will experience significant and possibly deadly symptoms from this flirtation. From this dangerous trial process some global assumptions appear sensible.

    We have never recommended that divers follow our schedules specifically, but that they advantage themselves from similar tools where useful. For most divers this amounts to greater conservation. For example, one might not be any less conservative but would ascend much more slowly, and slow this ascent starting at a deeper depth, (i.e. near the bottom).



    Q. An increasing number of people claim to be D.I.R. - or D.I.R.-Like! - based purely on equipment choices and configuration. There is, obviously, much more to Doing It Right than that. What should they be considering if they really want to Do It Right? And why?


    DIR is enigmatic in that it means different things to different people. In a global sense you are DIR if you seek excellence and strive for minimalism, safety, and cohesiveness. In practice, however, it is hard to understand these terms, (and, in fact, DIR itself) without having an objective measuring stick. People wrongly imagine that they can read about and mimic equipment configurations; they imagine that this will provide an appreciation of DIR.

    First, it is just not possible to appreciate a holistic instrument, (such as DIR) by studying a single small component of what it represents in isolation. In other words, DIR is an entire system of equipment and procedures, carefully coordinated to reduce risk and increase efficiency, the end result of which is more fun.

    Secondly, what little can be understood in isolation is tainted by the individual’s perspective. This, in turn, is coloured by their previous experience and their limited interaction with those conversant in DIR.

    Simply put, it is not possible to really appreciate DIR without close association over time with those that are closest to the source. Namely GUE and the WKPP. Having said all of that, one can still make significant strides toward improving their diving by incorporating many DIR concepts into their own diving in a wide variety of arenas.



    Q. What is the most difficult objection to D.I.R. that you have had to answer? And how have you answered it?


    The name DIR implies that there is ONE way to do things and that those not pursuing this direction are, by default, doing it wrong! DIR was not crafted as an insult; yet, this identity of correctness motivates the continual effort toward perfection by creating an ethos of excellence.

    Compounding this tension over nomenclature is the fact that several of DIR’s most vocal proponents are rigid and unflinching in their criticism of other diving practices. In many ways these issues do not exist because of one another, but one does feed the other. In other words, the majority of DIR divers are not particularly vocal and avoid any hint of diving politics.

    Although these aspects are not an innate part of DIR, they sometimes generate considerable tension within the diving world. Personally, I see the confrontation between personalities on both sides of the DIR debate as reflecting the diversity present within the population as a whole. In other words, the world is filled with people of many different temperaments and their views vary accordingly.

    The fact that DIR is the only identifiable “system” in diving adds to the sense that DIR is innately aggressive. This is because vocal individuals from the DIR group will be classed together, while the variety of aggressive personalities from miscellaneous diving groups will be considered as individual malcontents.

    For example, I am one of the leading proponents of DIR and have never printed a single malicious comment. And yet the entire DIR community is judged by the representations of the vocal minority.



    Q. What is the future for G.U.E. in terms of Training Programmes?



    GUE will continue to solidify its current range of educational programs and expand the educational materials. In 2004 we are focusing considerable attention toward the training materials in order to bring these in line with our high standard of training. 2004 will also see the introduction of an open water diver program that will largely completing the GUE curriculum. GUE plans to maintain two recreational courses, three cave, and three tech programs.



    Q. What projects - and challenges - still await you with the W.K.P.P.?


    Two years of poor water conditions forced us to take a sabbatical from active exploration. These poor conditions seem to be coming near the end. We started diving again on January 15 and the conditions are improving rapidly.

    Within the next couple of months we plan to start aggressive exploration in Wakulla and the rest of the Woodville Karst Plain. This entails a range of exploration projects, not the least of which is to return to the lead I discovered at 18,000 feet and see if the cave is feeling cooperative!



    Q. What sort of diving appeals to you more than any other?



    In some ways it depends a bit on what I have been doing lately and where I am diving. I love being underwater so, in truth, I love all diving. Caves, wrecks, and ocean are all appealing, but one of my favourites is wall diving. I don’t necessarily have to be deep on the wall, but there is something unique about being on the very edge of a deep chasm.

    Come to think of it I also love peeking over the deck of a huge wreck or staring into the deep blackness of an unexplored cave. Maybe it is just the view from the edge that I like the most!
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    a well reasoned and rational piece, he fairly alludes to some of the problems with the way people see DIR. certainly food for thought. A guy with his head screwed on straight who is open about his love for diving and striving for excellence and combining the two.

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    Compounding this tension over nomenclature is the fact that several of DIR’s most vocal proponents are rigid and unflinching in their criticism of other diving practices.

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    It's a shame for the DIR community....

    ...that this guy is not more widely recognised as the "personality" of DIR.

    I quite like the way he expresses himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman
    ...that this guy is not more widely recognised as the "personality" of DIR.

    I quite like the way he expresses himself.

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    Indeed, a good interview.

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    Excellent read And(y) thanks for that, JJ is a very intelligent and articulate guy and reading this interview just strengthens my belief that had he, and he alone, been seen as the man at the head of DIR instead of another certain individual, then GUE/DIR and divers like yourself and myself would have been much more easily accepted and may not have had to spend so much time and heartache involved in useless and heated debates that gave nothing but a growing resentment between the individuals involved.

    I must confess though, that recently I've definitely felt a change for the good in the general outlook amongst the YD clan towards DIR, a much greater acceptance all round without doubt and I'd like to think that the guys on here (combined with the quitening of a certain unnamed individual) has helped somewhat to achieve this.. Whatever the reason, I'm much more inclined these days to get involved in DIR discussions on these boards whereas not too long ago I was about to give up my YD membership altogether, purely through total disheartment at the constant arguments, abuse and the defending of ourselves, and the system that we use on a daily basis, sometimes I felt that it happened purely for the amusement of some and a way to be recognised by others..

    I'm finally starting to see YD as a DIR friendly place, something akin to the likes of Deco Stop and Scubaboard and I don't anymore feel so much the need to vanish into 'invite only' DIR lists to get away from the constant abuse from the detractors...

    Heres to the YD GUE fraternity growing and enabling a greater capacity to share information and help others (who are interested) to gain a better understanding of what GUE and DIR is about.

    We need more people like JJ to spread the philosophy in an intelligent and acceptable manner.

    Cheers Andy
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    Well said Dave

    Well said Dave ....and I entirely agree with you...Why JJ Didn't step forward earlier I will never know.

    Like you I am starting to feel a definate shift about DIR and peoples genuine interest in it , and open mindedness without the negative undercurrent that has been prevelant until recently

    Anyway good article and some great replies

    PS Any chance of a spell checker on YD

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    Sage words Dave,

    I myself have had my opinion of DIR followers turned 360 by the majority of DIR posters on YD, before when "he who shall not be mentioned by name" was in full flow his attitude and rhetoric seemed to be mirrored by posters on other forums and some by some wannabes on dive boats I had the misfortune to be on.

    Vive la differance and long may it continue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve S
    Sage words Dave,

    I myself have had my opinion of DIR followers turned 360 by the majority of DIR posters on YD, before when "he who shall not be mentioned by name" was in full flow his attitude and rhetoric seemed to be mirrored by posters on other forums and some by some wannabes on dive boats I had the misfortune to be on.

    Vive la differance and long may it continue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey Willo

    Heres to the YD GUE fraternity growing and enabling a greater capacity to share information and help others (who are interested) to gain a better understanding of what GUE and DIR is about.

    We need more people like JJ to spread the philosophy in an intelligent and acceptable manner.

    Cheers Andy
    Dave.
    I can't agree more on the two points raised by Dave.

    I did my DIR F in July 2003 but it wasn't till the YD DIR gig in December last year that I found people of a like mind. I'm not talking about out and out techie's but people who wanted to dive safely and who wanted expert tuition from GUE instructors. Let's hope YD DIR continues to contribute to sound discussion on diving principles.

    I had the fortune to meet JJ on a dive trip a couple of weeks ago in Cayman - it was the GUE Cayman Quest Week and by all accounts was a great week. I only managed to get on the last dive trip of the week but it was so enjoyable. On the boat was JJ, Todd Kincaid, Bob Sherwood and Fraser Purdon along with a few others whose names escape me. Fraser and Todd did a dive on the wall to 250 feet while most others dived to between 100 and 150 feet.

    One of JJ's aims is to create a diving system whereby one diver, trained by GUE, could travel across the world and meet a similarly trained diver and dive with them and be totally versed in all aspects of the dive. That day on the boat Fraser dived to 250 feet with Todd for the first time ever - they checked deco tables, planned the dive and dropped in the water and dived together. I met a guy called Vadim who was also trained to Fundies level and within a half hour we dropped to 100 feet. We dived together as a team - he took photo's (URL to follow) and we did our stops at 12 m, 9m, 6m and 3 m (although on the day we stopped in feet - how I pray for the metric system in the US and Caribbean!). On the evidence of that day I think JJ is well on the way to achieving that aim.

    When I spoke to JJ we didn't talk about DIR or his cave dives - we just chatted you know. He's a nice genuine guy and I look forward to his presentation at LIDS.

    The photo's that Vadim took can be found on

    http://www.ne-ue.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=23

    Take a look at them like you read a newspaper - start from the back. Vadim took loads of shots of JJ on a shallow reef dive in Cayman called Wreck Head Reef at the back end of his gallery. There a quite a few surface shots that are not that interesting unless you were part of the shot.

    Since I came back from Cayman I've been mulling around the idea of YD DIR gig in Cayman and have got the possibilty of a boat charter with Oceanfrontiers in Cayman for the week commencing 1st October this year. It's not that same as a DIR gig in Stoney but it will be warm and the sky will be blue. Oceanfrontiers are a dive operation that is DIR friendly, has trimix available, rents twin sets and offers brilliant service in an area of the best diving in Cayman. Fraser Purdon is GUE Instructor and is based at the centre - see www.oceanfrontiers.com

    I'm starting to get indicative prices together and if I can get enough people interested I'll set it up. Let me know if you are interested.

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