hose lengths and routing

[wilbo]

Ok.

everywhere I look now people are using a DIR based (I assume) config on their twinsets.

Mine currently is inverted - please don't go.. please continue reading..

I am thinking of changing my kit around so that I am more like my buddies dive config. If it works - for me - then I might well adopt it.

So.

Hose lengths - can you guys and gals let me know what hose lengths are standard:
HP Contents: 24" ?
Wing: ?
primary hose: 2m?
necklaced Backup: ?
Dry suit: ?

I ask as I have a few spare hoses, so would like to confirm (besides testing them for myself) to save myself cash if poss..

Also.

Can someone confirm I have this correct:

With the cylinders on your back:
right 1st stage: Primary long hose Reg, wing inflate
left 1st stage: backup Reg, Drysuit inflate, Contents gauge

with a crossover behind your head from left to right for necklaced backup
and a crossover behind your head from right to left for wing inflate.

be gentle.

[MATTBIN]

Valves UP, well that's one way I suppose.........

You'll beeeee sorrrrry!!!

Matt

ps first thing I'd check though is can you get to the valves easily before even attempting to swap hoses etc to non-invert. You will probably find its not as easy as twinvert at first but what the heck loads of divers do it valve up so I suppose its worth a go. Cant you just try your mates set instead?
M

[Clare Gledhill]

Originally Posted by wilbo

Can someone confirm I have this correct:

With the cylinders on your back:
right 1st stage: Primary long hose Reg, wing inflate
left 1st stage: backup Reg, Drysuit inflate, Contents gauge

with a crossover behind your head from left to right for necklaced backup
and a crossover behind your head from right to left for wing inflate.

Yes - that's right....

Hose lengths - can you guys and gals let me know what hose lengths are standard:
HP Contents: 24" ?
Wing: ?
primary hose: 2m?
necklaced Backup: ?
Dry suit: ?

Wilbo - it will depend on what first stages you have - Al and I have to use different hose lengths as he uses sacubapro first stages whilst I use Apeks.

With the drysuit hose it is a case of what will reach the valve on your suit,
with the neclace go for what will allow the reg to sit neatly under your chin but still allow you to look to the left without pulling out of your mouth

Phill sells sets of hoses - but I had to vary two from the standard set to get my setup more comfortable.

So, an long answer is, a bit of trial and error but look for neat routings (the bet you can get dependant of teh first stages) and short hoses which will not bow out and create drag whilst being long enough to permit comfortable use.

HTH

Gentle enough?

[Janos]

Originally Posted by wilbo

I am thinking of changing my kit around so that I am more like my buddies dive config. If it works - for me - then I might well adopt it.

SCAB!

Only joking. If you can reach your valves as easily as you can inverted, then why not? Personally I can reach my valves when they're valves up, but I'm just soooo much quicker inverted.

Can you not get your buddy to invert?

Janos

[divingniknaks]

Hiya,

Welcome to the dark side

SPG hose 62cm.
Primary 2- 2.1m
Backup 56cm or 62cm (comfort as Clare points out, looking left)
Wing whatever fits your wing nicely without lots spare.
Suit inflator should route under your harness and again no spare hose flapping about, (measure it with a piece of string)

That help ?

Of course you know where all the above are available from

Ta.

[vid]

Originally Posted by wilbo

everywhere I look now people are using a DIR based (I assume) config on their twinsets.

i'm not sure any one organisation can claim credit for using twins, long hoses and a particular routing system - but hey, if people dive more carefully i don't care....

my actual question is

Originally Posted by wilbo

With the cylinders on your back:
right 1st stage: Primary long hose Reg, wing inflate
left 1st stage: backup Reg, Drysuit inflate, Contents gauge

with a crossover behind your head from left to right for necklaced backup
and a crossover behind your head from right to left for wing inflate.

doesn't the placement of the wing and suit inflates (ie which goes on the left and right posts) depend on which method you use as primary bouyancy control?

vid

[Bardo]

Originally Posted by wilbo

Ok.

everywhere I look now people are using a DIR based (I assume) config on their twinsets.

Mine currently is inverted - please don't go.. please continue reading..

I am thinking of changing my kit around so that I am more like my buddies dive config. If it works - for me - then I might well adopt it.

LOL! You knew it was only a matter of time, Wilbo...

Mate, best thing you can do is to either...

A. Get yer arse onto a DIR Fundamentals course if you want to go the GUE route or...

B. Get yer arse onto our Twinset Fundamentals course. We've got one running this weekend (Saturday) if you're interest. Zak runs his kit using a hogarthian config so he'll point you in the right direction. He'll also address all the 'issues' you might have that made you go 'twinvert' in the first place. More details here...

http://www.vobsterquay.co.uk/training-twinf.shtml

And yes, that cool motherf*cker in the main image is me...

[MATTBIN]

Originally Posted by Bardo

B. Get yer arse onto our Twinset Fundamentals course. We've got one running this weekend (Saturday) if you're interest. Zak runs his kit using a hogarthian config so he'll point you in the right direction. He'll also address all the 'issues' you might have that made you go 'twinvert' in the first place.

He's flirting, that's all

Matt

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by Janos

SCAB!

Only joking. If you can reach your valves as easily as you can inverted, then why not? Personally I can reach my valves when they're valves up, but I'm just soooo much quicker inverted.

Can you not get your buddy to invert?

Janos

Hi Janos,

I had this chat with Digger a while ago so I hope I represent the view correctly. He used to be inverted and said he could do shut down routines incredibly quickly. His view (if I represent it correctly) now is that the whole routine does not have to be that quick.....the ability to isolate quickly is important. Now, bearing in mind the forum we are in I guess I should leave it there so that we don't steer away from the OP too much but have you ever discussed with Digger why he went to valves uppermost?

Rgrds
Mal

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

but have you ever discussed with Digger why he went to valves uppermost?

I certainly remember the original posts, and frankly, he would have kept his rig the proper way up if he was a better fu....



Janos