Argon bottle mounting

[And]

Originally Posted by Fraser

When cave mounting the argon bottle, what is the correct hose routing? I ran mine under the bottom of the wing but found in the water it was pulling up the wing to the extent it was making the rear dump hard to operate. Maybe I just need a longer inflator hose, but I found it a PITA.

Any comments?

Cheers,

Fraser.

PS Dutch Springs PA is pretty cool for a quarry

The hose goes under the wasteband Fraser, so it shouldn't interfere with the rear dump.

Andy

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

Hi all,

Any body got a link to picks of Argon bottle mounting on the back plate. I dont particularly want to get the webbing kit and would prefer to make do with bungee and cave line. However if there is a DIY webbing kit I could be interested

squeek squeek...

ATB

Mark Chase

Hi mark are you going soft.

[Fraser]

The hose goes under the wasteband Fraser, so it shouldn't interfere with the rear dump.

Thought so - longer inflator hose required then.

Cheers Andy.

Fraser.

[Bogwoppit]

In all honesty do you guys really get any benefit from the use of Argon or is it a bit (Sticking neck over the parapet) of a Gimick?

Does it save you much Back gas? How about the heat benefits? How about the cost and availablity of a fill?

[And]

Originally Posted by Bogwoppit

In all honesty do you guys really get any benefit from the use of Argon or is it a bit (Sticking neck over the parapet) of a Gimick?

Does it save you much Back gas? How about the heat benefits? How about the cost and availablity of a fill?

Well, there are three choices;

Backgas, Argon, or 'Airgon' sometimes known as Scottish Argon.

Using Backgas is not realistic. You will freeze with any decent amount of helium in the mix.

Argon is physically warmer, at least it is noticable when injected into the suit. Long term I don't know, but even if its a 'feelgood' factor I'd rather 'feelgood'. Availability depends. Some people have a 12 ltr cylinder and get it filled once every few months, and then decant it as you need it. Cost about £10 I think. If you have a friendly welding place then even better

'Airgon' is used when you feel that you don't need argon, but it is far better than using backgas. Most of my UK diving is done with 'airgon' as it is warm enough anyway and dive times aren't that long. I just decant a bit out of my deco bottles (so actually its nitron)

I'll be using Argon in France however, where the temperature is only 10 degrees and dive times are longer. I have a (14cf) 2.5 ltr bottle which will last all week

Hope that helps

Andy

[Bogwoppit]

Originally Posted by And

Well, there are three choices;

Backgas, Argon, or 'Airgon' sometimes known as Scottish Argon.

Using Backgas is not realistic. You will freeze with any decent amount of helium in the mix.

Argon is physically warmer, at least it is noticable when injected into the suit. Long term I don't know, but even if its a 'feelgood' factor I'd rather 'feelgood'. Availability depends. Some people have a 12 ltr cylinder and get it filled once every few months, and then decant it as you need it. Cost about £10 I think. If you have a friendly welding place then even better

'Airgon' is used when you feel that you don't need argon, but it is far better than using backgas. Most of my UK diving is done with 'airgon' as it is warm enough anyway and dive times aren't that long. I just decant a bit out of my deco bottles (so actually its nitron)

I'll be using Argon in France however, where the temperature is only 10 degrees and dive times are longer. I have a (14cf) 2.5 ltr bottle which will last all week

Hope that helps

Andy

Thanks And very informative as usual, the moment you mentioned Helium I went Doh I'm a muppet.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by And

(so actually its nitron)

Airgrox?

[nigelH]

Originally Posted by Bogwoppit

In all honesty do you guys really get any benefit from the use of Argon or is it a bit (Sticking neck over the parapet) of a Gimick?

I go with And on this one. Argon isn't a "push the button - feel the warmth" change but after a couple of hours in the water, when my lips are too numb to thank the guy who helps me with my fins, I am surprised that I'm not really cold.

Helium is six times as conductive of heat as air and I'm told it feels like injecting water. Argon is 62% as conductive so I suppose we aren't going to notice the hit just the long term effects on your inner 'core' temperature. I use it but have to carry it myself as very few places stock it. In the summer the bottle just has air in it.

[Foggy]

D'oh,
Iknew I'd seen some more ways of mounting Argon See:-
http://www.yorkshire-divers.co.uk/fo...ighlight=argon

I just love Bob Cooper's method (is it DIR, IS it?)

The first pics seem to have disappeared so:-








NB Not in original order

Cheers Paul

PS again I cannot comment wrt DIR / Stroke

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by The Doctor

Hi mark are you going soft.

Bloody right M8, arround May 20th next year I reckon my Argon will come in very handy

ATB

Mark Chase