scubapro regs

[RichW]

Originally Posted by jonny

From your posts, you are early in your dive career, I suggest that you get yourself a cheap Mk2+ and R290/390 in DIN and get a DIN converter so that you can use it anywhere. This will limit your spending and give you a very reliable base from which you can build the rest of your kit around. Given that you are also expressing an interest in tech diving, if you do take that path then the Mk2+ will be an ideal stage reg going forwards. If you decide not to go technical then the Mk2+ will do everything you need it to within recreational limits, two divers can happily breathe from a Mk2+ below 40m, but you will be aware when the tank pressure gets below 50bar which in my opinion is seldom a bad thing.

Stephen hasn't expressed any interest on this thread about techincal diving.

He's looking to get a regulator that will perform well whatever he chooses to do. Now I'm not saying that a Mk2/290/390 isn't a decent regulator, but it certainly isn't as good as the reg that he's mentioned. Just because you presume he's new to diving, why should he have to use gear that you yourself wouldn't use? Are only big bad experienced divers allowed the best regulators?

If he finds himself deeper than 40m, with two divers breathing from the same first stage, and less than 50bar, then he could have the best regulator money could buy, the outcome will be the same.

Rich

[gibbon]

Originally Posted by RichW

Stephen hasn't expressed any interest on this thread about techincal diving.

He's looking to get a regulator that will perform well whatever he chooses to do. Now I'm not saying that a Mk2/290/390 isn't a decent regulator, but it certainly isn't as good as the reg that he's mentioned. Just because you presume he's new to diving, why should he have to use gear that you yourself wouldn't use? Are only big bad experienced divers allowed the best regulators?

If he finds himself deeper than 40m, with two divers breathing from the same first stage, and less than 50bar, then he could have the best regulator money could buy, the outcome will be the same.

Rich

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I presumed nothing I have read his previous posts and took them to be the truth.

I agree that the performance of the SP balanced regs is some 4 times better in terms of maximum volume of gas supplied, however that is some 4 times more than likely to be required as you say it is likely to make little difference.

I have used a MK2+ way deeper than 40M = enough to make me confident of its performance as stated, admitedly this was with an S500 rather than R series reg. I have said or implied nothing about big or bad divers, you seem to be trying to pick a argument.. go for it, but you only have 12 hours before I will be away for a week of diving :-) So what is your point?

Perhaps I mistake DIR/GUE for technical?

I look forward to a response worth reading!

[RichW]

OK, I'll rephrase.

Why would you advise a new diver to buy a poorer performing (4 times worse, by your figures) regulator than the one he's correctly identified as a good quality regulator?

And no, GUE isn't exclusively technical.

Rich

[gibbon]

Originally Posted by RichW

OK, I'll rephrase.
Why would you advise a new diver to buy a poorer performing (4 times worse, by your figures) regulator than the one he's correctly identified as a good quality regulator?
And no, GUE isn't exclusively technical.
Rich

To save money would be the primary reason, then weight for travelling, simplicity for reliability - um... thats about it as far as I am concerned.

If money is not an issue then he should go for performance and quality - perhaps he should be looking at Sweedish regs. Or say sod it and just go with top end SP kit - nice!

As this is to be his first and only 1st stage, I cannot see why he would need more than 2500 liters per minute.

Getting some resistance as the tank pressure approaches the intermediate pressure and again as ambient pressure approaches intermediate pressure is of little concern, the response time of the Mk10+/Mk20/Mk25 is remarkable is he likely to appreciate it within recreational limits?

There is more than one Mk25 in my house, and more than one Mk2+, yes I can tell the difference between them but I belive that the Mk25 is over engineered and a lovely bit of kit to boot.

He needs to decide for himself, the reason I posted on this thread was that I saw some information that I thought was without reference and hence likely to effect the choice, it seems that I have further affected the decision unwittingly.

All I was trying to do was present the facts as I understand them, I feel I have kept abreast of the issues as an owner and hence interested party of said kit.

He must make up his own mind - flow rates are not everything, bit like top speed in a car.



Good luck in making up your mind, the most important thing I belive is that you pick a manufacturer and stick with it for ease of maintaining your investment going forward.

Jon

[Little Pete]

I bought the Mk25 as my first reg. Lovely piece of kit and it makes hose routing (DIR style) on singles and absolute dream to do. Expensive but something that will last and last so it didn't bother me too much.

...only bummer is now I'm going Apeks for the twins so have mixed and matched ( ) until I get a stage then the MK25 can move to that one.

[londonsean69]

Originally Posted by StephenT

I've decided to try and get some apex regs from an entire different company, which seems to do the older atx's compared to the newer xtx's.

XTX´s, when did they come out??

[divingniknaks]

Originally Posted by londonsean69

XTX´s, when did they come out??

New out this month mate.

See what you miss while idling in the sun

[londonsean69]

Just had a peek at the Apeks site, nice mods but it does beg the question, why bother?
Swivels = Extra failure points (although they are optional)
Different exhaust T sizes = nice idea, I like the TX on deco, bigger tee, less bubbles
Reversible hoses = Some like em, but not me
I´ll stick with my AT´X´s and TX´s.
PS I know this adds naff all to the thread but hey ho

[divingniknaks]

Originally Posted by londonsean69

PS I know this adds naff all to the thread but hey ho

Why change the habit of a lifetime ?

How's things out there ? You've been quiet for awhile.

Best

[StephenT]

The actual cost was never a main issue in my choice of regs (well obviously £600 regs were out the question). The main reason i posted this thread was because Scubapro have recently updated the r390 to the r395, and i was wondering if this would still be a DIR approved reg, which i got my answer too. probably a fine reg, but don't take the chance. I have already decided my primary reg was going to be the S600/mark25. Anyways decided to look around for the s600/r390/mark25 :-]. DIN obviously, i don't want no exploding 1st stages /o/.
BTW, i never mentioned anything about my budget, just find it funny that because i'm a new diver you assume i don't have enough funds to buy decent regs(the most important equipment?). Obviously if i want to pursue a Tech. career, which you pointed out i probably would, this would involve buying:- dual first stages, twinning bands, double tanks, a dual tank wing, probably some v weights, stage bottles with complimenting regs, an argon kit, probably a new dry suit(since mine isn't the greatest), (if i go really extreme) a gavin scooter or equivalent, numerous reels, a canister light(which i don't currently own), an extra scout back-up light. I give up i'm new to scuba. But if i couldn't afford regs now, i certainly couldn't afford to 'tech' dive
disclaimer : if this post seems like it's talking crap, then it probably is . oh and yes i've noticed the oxymoron in the first paragraph (i like that word)