Harness configurations.

[wreckweasel]

Originally Posted by divetheworld

Webbing is a potential failure point, but so remote and far fetched that it would not even be discussed, so what if there was a clip/release which was so bomb proof that it was impossible to break or damage to the same extent as the webbing?

I wonder which clips these would be brent I used to run a harness years back with the spare loop constrained with a solid pinch clip (bought from a climbing shop). It works fine as a solution, I got rid of mine simply because I can get in/out of my harness without it, so it didnt seem necessary. For your mate, I'd suggest its a good solution.

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

I am using a single piece harness for my DIR diving. I have had it set up by the professional DIR instructors and I have to say they are stupid and bloody dangerous idea.

I really struggle getting out of it and if I were stuck inside a wreck and needed to dekit in a tight space it would be imposable. Id have to cut myself out of the rig.

Mark, with respect I think this is crap. I've dekitted from the KISS (Hog harness) inside a cave since it was the only way to get out at the time. I did this in nil vis and without ending up dead (well only from the neck up).

The one piece harness can work, once its setup... but if someone is diving and comfier with a clip, let them be. Over time they can choose whether to change to one piece or not.

The one major argument I've seen for clips revolves around ease of dekitting for RIB diving. In my (non DIR) opinion, this has some validity. The question you have to ask yourself is can you safely complete YOUR diving with a failled clip.

Brent, if your mate wants to pick and choose from various diving systems that he beleives have validity, I'd suggest thats a good thing. If you cant rationalise the reasoning/justification for any one particular thing, its a good diver who continues to question, rather than blindly accept.


/Zak

(Sorry DIR lads, I know Im the anti-christ!)

[divetheworld]

Originally Posted by wreckweasel

I wonder which clips these would be brent I used to run a harness years back with the spare loop constrained with a solid pinch clip (bought from a climbing shop). It works fine as a solution, I got rid of mine simply because I can get in/out of my harness without it, so it didnt seem necessary. For your mate, I'd suggest its a good solution.



Mark, with respect I think this is crap. I've dekitted from the KISS (Hog harness) inside a cave since it was the only way to get out at the time. I did this in nil vis and without ending up dead (well only from the neck up).

The one piece harness can work, once its setup... but if someone is diving and comfier with a clip, let them be. Over time they can choose whether to change to one piece or not.

The one major argument I've seen for clips revolves around ease of dekitting for RIB diving. In my (non DIR) opinion, this has some validity. The question you have to ask yourself is can you safely complete YOUR diving with a failled clip.

Brent, if your mate wants to pick and choose from various diving systems that he beleives have validity, I'd suggest thats a good thing. If you cant rationalise the reasoning/justification for any one particular thing, its a good diver who continues to question, rather than blindly accept.


/Zak

(Sorry DIR lads, I know Im the anti-christ!)

Zak, guys, Thanks.

I didnt expect such reasoned and common sense answers from EVERYONE. Much respect to you all.
Now I'm off to make some cool harnesses, if it works out, I'll let you all know about it.

Brent.

[Mark Chase]

Mark, with respect I think this is crap. I've dekitted from the KISS (Hog harness) inside a cave since it was the only way to get out at the time. I did this in nil vis and without ending up dead (well only from the neck up).
The one piece harness can work, once its setup...

So let me get this streight...

I cant get out of the bloody thing unasisted in the car park but wedged inside a tight tunnel of a ship wreck suddenly it will be OK

And my one was set up profesionaly by a DIR instructor.

The question you have to ask yourself is can you safely complete YOUR diving with a failled clip.

Yes

Its not even an inconveniance let alone a serious problem.

ATB

Mark Chase

[wreckweasel]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

I cant get out of the bloody thing unasisted in the car park but wedged inside a tight tunnel of a ship wreck suddenly it will be OK

All Im saying is that I got out of mine quite happily in a restriction in nil viz. The rest you'll have to figure out for yourself

I have a suspicion the DIR boys run theirs tighter than mine, perhaps with the ethos being you shouldnt be in a situation where you need to remove your kit (given the small army of helpers you'll have etc).

Anyway, whaddya expect..... old fella <grins>

[Bardo]

Originally Posted by wreckweasel

All Im saying is that I got out of mine quite happily in a restriction in nil viz. The rest you'll have to figure out for yourself

I have a suspicion the DIR boys run theirs tighter than mine, perhaps with the ethos being you shouldnt be in a situation where you need to remove your kit (given the small army of helpers you'll have etc).

Anyway, whaddya expect..... old fella <grins>

To be fair, I think you've hit the nail on the head - DIR boys do tend to run their harnesses a lot tighter than yer average weasel. That said, I don't have any real problem squeezing out of my harness (which is two-finger tight, a la DIR-spec) but then I'm good at squeezing out of tight situations (normally involving the payment of drinks at the bar)...

BTW - Did I mention that I met the Cheeky Girls?

[dlegros]

Originally Posted by Bardo

BTW - Did I mention that I met the Cheeky Girls?

Don't think you did.

The cheeky who?

Dom

[divetheworld]

Originally Posted by Bardo

BTW - Did I mention that I met the Cheeky Girls?

Didnt they used to be ginger? I'm off to google images..................might be a while.