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Originally Posted by chrisch

It is not necessary to sign up in blood that you will always follow the true path - that is for the sad people who cannot tell the difference between a hobby and a religion.

Bugger

[thehappychappy]

Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill

Hi. Good to hear you are interested - sure we can find a way of getting you some more info/dives.

With regard to the neoprene suit issue - don't think that signing up for fundies means that you have to lose your suit - we recognise that for many a good dry suit is one of the biggest investements that they make in diving and replacing it may not be an option.

Gareth is right that most of the benefits of a neooprene suit can be matched by a membrane - without the buoyancy issues - but if your suit fits properly and allows a good range of movement there is nothing to stop you doing Fundamentals in it.

HTH

Ok does this go for the rest of my equipment then?

I can do Fundies in my own kit and still pass? I can then change my kit to move on to the next stage?

I've had a little bit of a read but it sounds like lots of it is not right, if its a kit think I am happy to change as and when money allows as long as everything I change to is better than I have.

As for style, any training that makes me a better diver has to be good.

Would I need to replace all the following?

Regs: Poseidon xstreams one, long hose one short.
Fins: Mares Quattros
Wing: Frog Midnight
Harness: OMS Comfort
Suit: Othree msf500tb
Torch: GF F2 tristar plus (umbilical)
Cylinders: twin ten fabers MDE manifolded with slob knob.
Compuer: Suunto D9 with Air Integration

Stage: Ali seven with Scubapro MK20 & S600.

Waiting on me book, summer reading...


Davie.

[Clare Gledhill]

Originally Posted by thehappychappy

Ok does this go for the rest of my equipment then?

No - from the standards

Equipment Requirements

Each student should have, and be familiar with, all of the following required equipment.

1. Tanks/Cylinders: Students may use dual tanks/cylinders connected with a dual outlet isolator manifold, which allows for the use of two first-stages. Students may also use a single tank/cylinder with a K, H, or Y-valve.
2. Regulators: One of the second-stages must be on a 5- to 7-foot/1.5- to 2-meter hose. One of the first-stages must supply a pressure gauge and provide inflation for a dry suit (where applicable).
3. Backplate System: A rigid and flat platform, of metal construction with minimal padding, held to a diver by one continuous piece of nylon webbing plus crotch strap. This webbing should support five D-rings. The harness below the diver's arms should have small restrictive bands to allow for the placement of reserve light powered by three in-line c-cell batteries (where necessary). The system should retain a minimalist approach with no unnecessary components.
4. Buoyancy Compensation Device: A diver's buoyancy compensation device should be back-mounted and minimalist in nature. It should come free of extraneous strings, tabs, or other material. There should be no restrictive bands or "bungee" of any sort affixed to the buoyancy cell. In addition, diver lift should not exceed 50lbs for a single tank and 80lbs for double tanks. Wing size and shape should be appropriate to the cylinder size(s) employed for training.
5. At least one depth-measuring device
6. At least one timekeeping device
7. Mask and fins: Mask should be low volume; fins should be rigid, non-split
8. At least one cutting device
9. Wet Notes
10. One spool with 100 feet/30 meters of line per diver
11. Exposure suit appropriate for the duration of exposure

I'm happy to lend out kit to help people meet the basic requirements of the course - on the basis that many people who do GUE Fundamentals are coming along to see whether they like what GUE has to offer and may not wish to commit to changing kit for the course. Other GUE instructors do similar so don't let kit stop you from coming along.

[Captain Deco]

Originally Posted by thehappychappy

Ok does this go for the rest of my equipment then?

I can do Fundies in my own kit and still pass? I can then change my kit to move on to the next stage?

I've had a little bit of a read but it sounds like lots of it is not right, if its a kit think I am happy to change as and when money allows as long as everything I change to is better than I have.

As for style, any training that makes me a better diver has to be good.

Would I need to replace all the following?

Regs: Poseidon xstreams one, long hose one short.
Fins: Mares Quattros
Wing: Frog Midnight
Harness: OMS Comfort
Suit: Othree msf500tb
Torch: GF F2 tristar plus (umbilical)
Cylinders: twin ten fabers MDE manifolded with slob knob.
Compuer: Suunto D9 with Air Integration

Stage: Ali seven with Scubapro MK20 & S600.

Waiting on me book, summer reading...


Davie.

I am sure someone better qualified will be along in a minute, but I asked the exact same questions at the tail end of 2005. I had just bought a twinset, and DIR was causing much ruckus at the time, so I signed up for a fundies course in order to a) see what the fuss was about and b) use it as a twinset orientation.

I dived a twinset w/boots, heavy neoprene suit (poseidon jetsuit) and split fins. Now Rich W. asked me to rent some compliant gear (fins) and asked me to take off the boots which I did.......and the main thing he asked was "Dive like I am going to train you during the course. If you don't like it then change back afterwards". He gave me the freedom to dive my gear, as he knew it was impractical to rent a new drysuit as well, but he did say that whilst it was not ideal, as long as I could do shutdowns ok then it didn't matter.

I rocked up and did the fundies course and it still ranks as one of the hardest courses I have ever done. I really struggled with the buoyancy and the in water skills, but they gave me a set of tools which I then practised the shit out of for a few months, until in October 2006 I did the fundies re-evaluation and got the full pass.

For me it was all about what I got out of it:

1) In water confidence
2) Massively improved buoyancy
3) Back finning, spool and SMB deployment
4) Ability to do shutdowns
5) Properly rigged kit (for me that is. I am a minimalist, and I liked the way I was taught to do it by Rich W.)
6) Training in something a little different.

Nowadays I still have the boots on the twins, and the poseidon is on it's way out for a better neo suit - an o3 is my goal, but I stick to alot of the principles and skills I was taught by Rich. Will I go on down the line to tech 1 and 2....probably not as my buddies don't dive that way, and it's not the way I want to dive.

There are a lot of naysayers, and GUE has used some clever marketing, but at the end of the day they do teach well, and without my little foray into DIR I wouldn't be the diver I am today.

[SoggyFox]

Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill

[list=1][*]Tanks/Cylinders: Students may use dual tanks/cylinders connected with a dual outlet isolator manifold, which allows for the use of two first-stages. Students may also use a single tank/cylinder with a K, H, or Y-valve.[*]Regulators: One of the second-stages must be on a 5- to 7-foot/1.5- to 2-meter hose. One of the first-stages must supply a pressure gauge and provide inflation for a dry suit (where applicable).[*]Backplate System: A rigid and flat platform, of metal construction with minimal padding, held to a diver by one continuous piece of nylon webbing plus crotch strap. This webbing should support five D-rings. The harness below the diver's arms should have small restrictive bands to allow for the placement of reserve light powered by three in-line c-cell batteries (where necessary). The system should retain a minimalist approach with no unnecessary components.[*]Buoyancy Compensation Device: A diver's buoyancy compensation device should be back-mounted and minimalist in nature. It should come free of extraneous strings, tabs, or other material. There should be no restrictive bands or "bungee" of any sort affixed to the buoyancy cell. In addition, diver lift should not exceed 50lbs for a single tank and 80lbs for double tanks. Wing size and shape should be appropriate to the cylinder size(s) employed for training.[*]At least one depth-measuring device[*]At least one timekeeping device[*]Mask and fins: Mask should be low volume; fins should be rigid, non-split[*]At least one cutting device[*]Wet Notes[*]One spool with 100 feet/30 meters of line per diver[*]Exposure suit appropriate for the duration of exposure.

thats me nearly there then! i have dual tanks which are sort of manifolded. and a wing and some other stuff.

[neilh]

Originally Posted by thehappychappy

I've ordered DIR book by Jarrod off ebay, what next?

Ask questions, meet up, go dive

I see you're on Dave's St Abbs trip in a few weeks - there'll be a few of us on there so we can have a good natter if you like and we'll all be falling off the same boat!

Also Capernwray is a good bet if you want to hook up for a quarry dip and a bacon butty.

[milldog]

Originally Posted by thehappychappy

I've ordered DIR book by Jarrod off ebay, what next?

Order a book on inland dive sites

Graham

[GLOC]

Originally Posted by milldog

Order a book on inland dive sites

Graham

You don't need to do that, it comes with the implant

[Paul r h]

Originally Posted by milldog

Order a book on inland dive sites

Graham

Harsh but true graham,is there such a book,or is JJ still in the process of writing it
Page 1 The Stengarth,Stoney Cove,Depth 20mtrs
Page 2 Helicopter,Stoney Cove Depth 18mtrs
Page 3 Hydro box,Stoney Cove Depth 35mtrs (STEADY NOW)

Paul.

[thehappychappy]

Ive actually never dived an inland dive site yet.......