beaver or faber or summit else

[neilh]

Originally Posted by MartyC

I think my new ones were 13.6kg each, Neil

Originally Posted by warmwaterdiver

so yeap, pretty much the same

Yup, stuff all difference then. My Fabers are 13.5 and ECS are 13.8.

Just boils down to length and trim now then - anyone know anywhere that does a variety of tail weights?

[eey_ore_9]

Im still at the moment no wiser on the euro vs beaver cylinder!!!! I looked on niknaks and was in the process of ordering o2 clean twinset DIRzone 12ltr banded and manifolded, but told from two other dive shops that the beaver cylinder is marked ECS and described as a euro cylinder! So is there a difference apart from price in niknaks euro cylinder and beaver cylinder..! They are both euro cylinders are they not ? Is there a link to show describe difference as i cant see the difference from the sites, theyre both same length and weight niknaks tanks do look goood or is it just me

[Bardo]

Originally Posted by eey_ore_9

Im still at the moment no wiser on the euro vs beaver cylinder!!!! I looked on niknaks and was in the process of ordering o2 clean twinset DIRzone 12ltr banded and manifolded, but told from two other dive shops that the beaver cylinder is marked ECS and described as a euro cylinder! So is there a difference apart from price in niknaks euro cylinder and beaver cylinder..! They are both euro cylinders are they not ? Is there a link to show describe difference as i cant see the difference from the sites, theyre both same length and weight niknaks tanks do look goood or is it just me

You're right - there's no difference between Beaver and ECS *cylinders* - they all come out of the same factory. What separates a Beaver twinset from one sold by the likes of Halcyon or Niknaks, however, is the quality of the valves and cylinder bands they use. Fact is, Beaver use really, really naff valves and bands that aren't a patch on the high-quality parts that you'll find on the more expensive alternatives. Ultimately you get what you pay for and - despite what your local Beaver-dealer LDS might say - not all twinsets are created equally! There's a *BIG* difference between a cheap 'n' nasty twinset and something like the Halcyon twinset...

[MartyC]

Actually I lied! my cylinders are 13.2kg each (just checked), so they are actually slightly lighter than the fabers
They still trim out better though due to the extra length and reduced width (oohh err)

[eey_ore_9]

Thanks for all the info peeps. Iv now decided to go for nakkers twinset cylinders package, I already have the Halcyon type manifold with the big luurvely rubbery soft handles on so il have to use that on my 21% mix twinset fabers! I suppose it will make good trim practise using them buggers eh? I thought i might be able to use manifold on beavers but they dont build kits up n sticker them so iv been told Re a friend just bought beaver cylinder o2 cleaned with 02 compatible valve but they sent valve and bottle seperate to be built up so hes got to have em built and then o2 cleaned again............?Once again many thanks

[drunkdiver]

Everyone seems to slag off the beaver bands, valves and manifolds. Whilst im not sure about the bands, the valves and manifolds are identical the the Agir Brok ones. Ive seen them side by side, and stripped down. I have been told from a reliable source that they come from the same factory too.

I did see some of the beaver wide bands in the shop today, looked pretty decent to me too.

Beaver seem to have a crap image, and whilst quite a bit of there stuff is crap, a fair bit of it is actually quite good.

To be honest I wish I had brought a beaver twinset, rather than my more expensive faber twinset with crappy san-o-sub valves and bendy CD bands. From what ive seen the beaver setup is far superior to what I have !

It seems to me like there is a bit of dive brand snobery going on.

[Bardo]

Originally Posted by drunkdiver

To be honest I wish I had brought a beaver twinset, rather than my more expensive faber twinset with crappy san-o-sub valves and bendy CD bands. From what ive seen the beaver setup is far superior to what I have !

It seems to me like there is a bit of dive brand snobery going on.

Now you're talking - CD bands are *the* worst bands ever made! They use spot welding and the centres aren't reinforced so they bend (causing the tanks to tow inwards) if you overtighten the centre bolts. They make Beaver kit look well-made! Kit snobbery? Moi? Surely not...

[Madfish]

Just as an aside - having being pointed here by WWD - on a recent visit to a not so LDS, in the midst of an Beaver discussion, I was shown a brand new Beaver manifold, in its wrapping, in the display cabinet.

It was rusting.

Di

The fin retainers Beaver make are very good.