DIR - WHY?

[Clare Gledhill]

I think it still takes rather a lot of time and about £5,000 to gain a pilot's licence.

The diving industry has devalued diver training in order to sell more courses and feed the growing number of instructors wishing to work. GUE has 4 UK intsructors now aftre having had 2 for a couple of years, comapred with the 1,000s who teach for the other agencies. Worldwide I think we are approaching 50 - with a maximum of four or so per year being added to the list annually. If money was the aim this would be a lot higher - but retaining standards is the drive rather than commercial growth.

It is a niche diving agency which is built upon a wish to deliver the sort of diving education that we believe shoudl be offered. If it cannot be afforded, or is not desired, so be it. PADI will certify more divers in the next hour that GUE will certify in the next 12 months - and we like it like that.

[Scu-bamboo]

if you are a DIR diver - would you buddy up with someone who wasn't?

[Garf]

Originally Posted by Scu-bamboo

if you are a DIR diver - would you buddy up with someone who wasn't?

depends on the dive and the diver, like anyone else I guess. I'd do a shallow no deco dive with anyone. The more challenging the dive, the smaller the list of people gets I'd do it with, and the more likely they are to be DIR.

[Reikimaster]

Originally Posted by Clare Gledhill

PADI will certify more divers in the next hour that GUE will certify in the next 12 months - and we like it like that.

However PADI head office probably still fell their instructions are not pushing enough people through.

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

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The entry level training bar is set very low IMO, but if your main role in life is to sell training courses then the current regime seem to suit. If your role was to create life long safe enthusiastic divers then I think you would approach it differently.

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Surely the entry level training is to create a group of people that can then decide if they wish to become lifelong safe enthusiasts or if they want to do a 6m bimble off Ras Mohamed with a DM?

Its hardly the fault of PADI that the schools do not make new divers realise that the Rescue Diver course is the bottom rung of the qualified diver ladder. Up to that point you are still learning the ropes.

Well done to GUE for recognising rescue skills are a core part of training for the lifelong diver. My agency grumble is the availability of "advanced" courses (like deco procedures) without the RD element having been done. I do, in all honesty, see a role for the current Open Water/Ocean Diver level certifications.

Chris

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by Scu-bamboo

if you are a DIR diver - would you buddy up with someone who wasn't?

Each diver, whether a DIR diver or not, makes choices about who they buddy up with. For some it's a considered choice and for others it's a bit more haphazard.

Speaking personally I would buddy up with anyone to go "confined" [1] diving. Depending on a number of things, I'd want them to be comfortable with me and vice versa. So with a non GUE trained diver, I'd want to be sure skills and procedures were compatible, so more discussion ahead of the dive and perhaps a shallow skills dive to cement that.

For cave diving and deeper trimix diving I'd only go with DIR buddies.
HTH
Mal

Up to 30m with a lot of depending ons

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by chrisch

Surely the entry level training is to create a group of people that can then decide if they wish to become lifelong safe enthusiasts or if they want to do a 6m bimble off Ras Mohamed with a DM?

I agree .... only there isn't a formal "6m bimble with DM" certificate, it's 18m from the outset with 30m a dive or two later.....

[telsa]

I'm not a DIR diver. I have noticed of the few that I know that all their kit is generally of the same type and configured the same way.
So I was wondering, do individual divers have the freedom to use what they wish and configure it as they like once qualified?
I guess it might defeat the object of it all but I'm just curious.

Rob

[Ahmed Adly]

Originally Posted by Woz

I'm sure if Kevin Gurr wanted to, he'd do a DIK system..

[Ahmed Adly]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

So you seems to have asked a couple of things there.

I think it is stretching the Internet popularity too far to suggest it's mainstream but the more the ideas are being discussed and adopted, the better AFAIAC. If you ever get the chance to talk to the top guys at GUE you will soon realise their altruistic nature towards diving safety is genuine. Of course they would like people to take GUE training but the organisation is not set up to scale to the mass market in the way other agencies have done. GUE Instructors have to go diving for their own ends as a for instance.

So the fact that more poeple are discussing it in the context of dive safety then I think that can only be a good thing.

I had been diving for about 13years before I even heard of GUE or DIR. When I started diving regularly in this country I knew I needed more than I had from all those warmwater dives I had done. So I started with the DIR/Hogarthian kit config, learned off 'tinternet.

Did a TDI course which increased my confidence and ability and gave me more of a taste for the UK.

By taking this route, though, I completely missed the bit about teamwork and procedures which set GUE apart.

I then went diving with some GUE trained divers who impressed me no end with their procedures, their comms, their awareness, precision in buoyancy and trim. I then did a trimix course with Al & Clare of this parish which showed me more of what I was missing.

A year later I did fundamentals then a bit later did Cave 1 and will do Tech 1 soon. Given I was really sold on the system from early on, I think I would have progressed quicker, had I gone for Fundamentals earlier.

As to what makes a DIR diver.....well..... lots of people have the kit config, a lot have procedures, I think the thing which sets them GUE trained divers apart is the "known quantity" aspect. Rich Walker has this phrase "Shake hands, go diving" which was recently very well illustrated at the Discover DIR day I ran at Stoney.

Having demonstrated some skills to the "Discoverees" I indicated to NeilH that we would do an S drill.....which we then did. On the surface debrief Neil explained that was the very first time he and I had dived together and yet there we were, demoing skills. One of the guys said "It looked like you had practiced it 100's of times". Thing is, we had....just never together This translates into ocean diving too ..... I have done some deeper dives with guys I met properly for the first time on a boat .... I would never have done that without the confidence of knowing how they dived and confident of how they would react to a given situation. Knowing that your buddies are working hard to stay in contact with you so there's no stress as you are with them, ready to donate gas if you need it, as you are with them, running and modifying the dive plan in their heads as you are for them etc etc etc. [1]

That's very powerful I think, and as my diving has gone deeper and my awareness of the need for better skills and procedures has increased, I have found the GUE approach to training fits the bill perfectly.

Not only do the Instructors require you to perform the skills, drills and procedures with "finesse", they require you to enjoy what you are doing as well......that's pretty unique in my experience.

HTH
Mal

[1] Not sure why I always end up sending up the dSMB though

I agree with a lot of what Mal says here.
As far as my story goes I can say that I was not too happy with the way I was diving to extreme depths at all. And although I was doing it and surviving, I kind of felt a gap of knowledge that needed filling (I felt the "gap of knowledge" in my elbow after most 90 meter dives ).

After searching the net we started reading about these guys who seem to survive the most un survivable dives and withing a few years bang, no turning back and my diving got much better and I can go deeper and longer than ever before.

So I suppose you really have to be a DIR diver before you even here about the training. The training just kind of seems to be the right way for you when you bump into it.