Just Having A Laugh!!!!

[Garf]

Originally Posted by JasonP

It may have had thousands of hours of testing, but if it had been invented by a group of UK deep wreck divers, I don't think it would be the same.

Jason

probably not, but there isn't one. So I went for the next best standard(IMHO), which is DIR. It's not opitmal for all environemnts, but the benefit is in having the standard, not in having everything perfect for the specific environment.

[MonkeyPony]

Originally Posted by JasonP

I've always, always closed the manifold first.

Surely, if you know which valve the problem is comming from, in 'real life' you'd just shut it down.

I can't understand why you'd want to waste time (and gas) shutting down the manifold first (although I'm sure someone will tell me).

For drills obviously you need an order in which to do things, and one that your buddy is aware of so they will know what needs to be sorted if you totally stuff it up and go to pieces, but when the shit hits the fan the number one priority must be to save as much gas as possible.

[Garf]

Originally Posted by MonkeyPony

Surely, if you know which valve the problem is comming from, in 'real life' you'd just shut it down.

I can't understand why you'd want to waste time (and gas) shutting down the manifold first (although I'm sure someone will tell me).

For drills obviously you need an order in which to do things, and one that your buddy is aware of so they will know what needs to be sorted if you totally stuff it up and go to pieces, but when the shit hits the fan the number one priority must be to save as much gas as possible.

hehe. this is where I sit back and watch. There is NO right answer to the drill question. It all depends on what the rationale behind the procedure is, and what you are trying to achieve.

[JasonP]

Originally Posted by MonkeyPony

Surely, if you know which valve the problem is comming from, in 'real life' you'd just shut it down.

I can't understand why you'd want to waste time (and gas) shutting down the manifold first (although I'm sure someone will tell me).

Because then it doesn't require thinking about. It's instinctive and you can't make the wrong decision because you're stressed and probably a bit narked.

Plus it doesn't take very long.

Jason

[Frankie Price]

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

I wear contact lenses. Does that mean I look "doe eyed" ? Or is it that contact lens wearers are into bondage

Whatever floats ya boat, as they say

Who knows?
If you happen to look into my eyes sometime, I'll try to give you the answer.

[SoggyFox]

Originally Posted by MonkeyPony

I can't understand why you'd want to waste time (and gas) shutting down the manifold first (although I'm sure someone will tell me).
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and all this time you have you other hand doing what?

[Scubee]

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

. Although that is probably moot as they won't want to dive with me

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

Do you really mean that? I think all the people who would be identifiable as DIR divers on YD would dive with just about anyone .... probably not on their biggest dives but as well as being an identifiable DIR diver I am also a recreational diving instructor and I cannot imagine any diver I wouldn't dive with.

Being DIR is not really about being as elitest as other people would like it to be.

Mal

Bu**er. Now I have to agree with Mal.
If it hadn't been for an attack of wind, I would have been diving with one of the chimps in Portland a couple of weeks ago.
Depending on the dive being undertaken, I think we are all to a different extend picky about who we dive with, and rightly so.

As a recreational instructor, I am quite happy diving with anbody to recreational depths. Beyond that, I prefer to dive with people i am comfortable with, whether that is because I have dived with them before, or I know of their reputation. But again, it depends on the dive I am doing. particularly if I am doing short amounts of deco, or only to about 50m. Deeper than that, I want someone I know is at least as capable as me in the water.

Whether they will dive with me is their choice, whether I will dive with them is mine.

[Mal Bridgeman]

Originally Posted by SoggyFox

and all this time you have you other hand doing what?

I'd be signalling my team/buddy ....who happen to have lots and lots of gas and I'd like to be close to them

[neilh]

This thread has got far too sensible for a Friday - especially given how it started out!

Originally Posted by MonkeyPony

Surely, if you know which valve the problem is comming from, in 'real life' you'd just shut it down.

I can't understand why you'd want to waste time (and gas) shutting down the manifold first (although I'm sure someone will tell me).
...
but when the shit hits the fan the number one priority must be to save as much gas as possible.

It comes down to the procedure that you're taught. Some teach isolating first so that no matter which side the failure is you've immediately protected half your remaining gas. Some, like GUE, try to identify the failure point first and if shutting down that post doesn't sort it then you isolate.

You will lose more gas with the latter approach if the failure isn't the post you shut down first, but the gas planning that you apply means that you're not dependent on having all your gas in any case.

[divingniknaks]

Originally Posted by SoggyFox

pretty much for the type of diving they teach, bit disingenious putting TDI/IANTD with BSAC and PADI.

Not really disingenuous your original post was

"all agencies give standard kit, standard gases"

So I lumped the main ones in, I couldve added all the others like CMAS, NAUI etc etc.

If I misread it and you meant tech agencies then sorry.

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