Just Having A Laugh!!!!

[wilbo]

Originally Posted by SoggyFox

from LostBoy to Howard, you've got em all.

You have of course, taken me out of context. I meant don't take one incident by a bunch of tossers as the norm.




Congrats. I'm out of this thread.

[MonkeyPony]

Originally Posted by SoggyFox

and all this time you have you other hand doing what?

Using my torch to signal to my buddy that I have a problem.

[Sixsquid]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

Do you really mean that?

Well there was a wink there but there is also a grain of truth in that, as Neil said, he chose DIR as he prefers to dive without a great variation in kit.
I'm confident that some of the lovely YDers who dive DIR would happily dive a bimble with me and I'm sure I would enjoy diving with them
I was in no way suggesting elitism. You don't need to look to a training agency to find that

Originally Posted by neilh

I'm sure that's not true sixy. You just need to do fundies first

You, me, a week on Valkyrie in Scapa ................ watch this space

[Garf]

Originally Posted by JasonP

Because then it doesn't require thinking about. It's instinctive and you can't make the wrong decision because you're stressed and probably a bit narked.

Plus it doesn't take very long.

Jason

All valid points. OK, now look at it from the DIR perspective.

We want people thinking, we dont want instinctive. the ethod behind our drills is to diagnose the problem.
we shut down valves on EVERY dive, so it doesnt generate stress. that's why we practice them so much.
we don't do narked, that's why we have standard gases.

this is good example of looking at one aspect of DIR and questioning it, without looking at the whole picture. DIR only makes sense when you look at all of it, as soon as you pick it to pieces it stops working.

[SoggyFox]

Originally Posted by Sixsquid

You, me, a week on Valkyrie in Scapa ................ watch this space

don't you dare young lady.......

or i'll do fundies with my burberry wing and Kappa rock boats.

[JasonP]

Originally Posted by Garf

We want people thinking, we dont want instinctive. the ethod behind our drills is to diagnose the problem.
we shut down valves on EVERY dive, so it doesnt generate stress. that's why we practice them so much.
we don't do narked, that's why we have standard gases.

Well you will still be a bit narked at 30m on nitrox. That's part of your standard gases, right?

Shutting down the valves won't cause stress. Your first stage exploding in a mass of bubbles bringing down all sort of crap from the ceiling and reducing the viz is going to stress anyone.

So I personally prefer instinctive. I'm going to think a lot straighter when I know that half my gas is safe.

Jason

[Sixsquid]

Originally Posted by Frankie Price

Who knows?
If you happen to look into my eyes sometime, I'll try to give you the answer.

As long as you don't say " look into my eyes, not around the eyes, in the eyes ... "

Originally Posted by Scubee

Bu**er. Now I have to agree with Mal.

Not a problem as Mal and I were not disagreeing on anything so you aren't actually having to agree with anything really .
I wrote something with a wink and he questioned it. My response is in another post

[SoggyFox]

Originally Posted by MonkeyPony

Using my torch to signal to my buddy that I have a problem.

seems a waste of precious time to me, i will of course signal my buddies for assitance as would anyone, but i'd like to think that they're awake enough to see theres a problem and assist as nessecary. But in the mean time i'd like to save my ar$e and have the shutdown complete and then let them come finning into me and sort the trouble out.

whats the difference between using 2 hands to shut the valves and one hand to shut the valves and waving the torch hopefully in the direction of my buddy?

[Garf]

Originally Posted by JasonP

Well you will still be a bit narked at 30m on nitrox. That's part of your standard gases, right?

Shutting down the valves won't cause stress. Your first stage exploding in a mass of bubbles bringing down all sort of crap from the ceiling and reducing the viz is going to stress anyone.

So I personally prefer instinctive. I'm going to think a lot straighter when I know that half my gas is safe.

Jason

I get what your saying, I really do, but you're trying to compare a mechanism for self sufficiency, with a mechamism for team sufficiency. It's no wonder DIR looks a bit crap.

However, I could equally argue that I take a spare twinset as redundancy on every dive, and each third of that gas is self contained in the event of failure, no matter which valve I shut down. If you really work at the team thing, then all of a sudden a lot of the DIR approach starts to stand up against individual approaches.

we don't wave a torch "hopefully". We signal them. They take over. they are a CRITICAL part of the drill / emergency. again, your thinking is "individual". DIr is never going to stand up to scrutiny with an individual mindset. Just as the idea of "hopefully" signalling someone is baffling to a DIR diver.

[MonkeyPony]

Originally Posted by SoggyFox

seems a waste of precious time to me, i will of course signal my buddies for assitance as would anyone, but i'd like to think that they're awake enough to see theres a problem and assist as nessecary. But in the mean time i'd like to save my ar$e and have the shutdown complete and then let them come finning into me and sort the trouble out.

whats the difference between using 2 hands to shut the valves and one hand to shut the valves and waving the torch hopefully in the direction of my buddy?

No difference, the volume of gas lost would be the same. Manifold open or shut if you're losing x lpm from somewhere you'll continue to loose gas at that rate until you've shut the valve.