DIR Diving not for everyone ?

[Mark Davies]

<font color='#000080'>Thanks Dave,

Good of you to get it straight for me. See, we're breaking down barriers already!

While you're on, what about the point on carribiners? I can just about see the argument against, though I've got to say that after using them in climbing for many years I've never known an entanglement problem. However, let's accept it can happen (as Dom's bit of research suggests). What is the alternative that I should be using?

[Mark]

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Mark Davies @ Aug. 31 2003,16:14)]What is the alternative that I should be using?

Mark,

DIR prefers stainless steel bolt snaps and double-enders. Like these - Attachment hardware.... These things are SO much better than suicide clips.

Regards,

Mark.

[Noel Johnson]

Dave, Mark et al...

I'd like to make it clear that I am not anti-DIR, far from it in fact. I've included the text that I read on this a couple of months ago whilst attempting to form my own opinion. This is from a reputable source (divernet) so now I don't know what to beleive. Oh sod it I'll just do it my way - in the safest possible manner of course...

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]DOING IT RIGHT
There is no a simple, quantitative explanation of DIR. Many divers see only the visible part, the modified Hogarthian equipment configuration, but it extends further than that. Drawing on a number of sources:
DIR divers believe in enhanced dive preparation, fitness and team work
Divers train and dive as a team, carrying out carefully planned schedules
They use a common &quot;modified Hogarthian&quot; equipment configuration
Gases have a narcotic depth of 30m or less
Decompression is generally on 50 and 100 per cent O2
Serious DIR divers exercise regularly, have healthy diets and don't smoke
DIR divers dive only with other DIR divers
DIR is a holistic approach to diving. You can't be 95 per cent DIR, just as you can't be 95 per cent pregnant

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Noel

I'm sorry mate but once more someone who doesn't really understand DIR at all is perpetuating comments that THEY heard elsewhere as if it's a statement of fact, unfortunately Mark may end up believing what you said and may then spread the exact same rumours on to others who then also believe it must be true... it's this sort of stuff that turns so many away from DIR

Rule 1: Don't dive with strokes

Definition of a stroke is 'An unsafe diver or a diver with an unsafe attitude'

NOT TRUE

A quote from George Irvine the Third (GIT)

A sure sign of a stroke is some one appearing on the boat with 80% for deco

end quote

Seeing as I dive 80% fro deco as a safety measure and the decision was thaught through carefully your definition of a DIR stroke is obviously not the same as GIT's.

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]

I've said this before and I'll say it again here.. as far as I'm concerned you can turn up to dive with me, clenching your pony bottle between the cheeks of your arse and yet as long as you're an attentive buddy with good inwater skills with the ability to be there for me should I get into trouble then we'll dive together.... should you turn up all DIR kitted but It's known that you are a dangerous buddy concerned only with your own dive, the sort of guy who might not notice when I'm in trouble then I wouldn't want to dive with you.

Out of all of my friends and buddy's only two are DIR but I dive with all of them and always will.

If you speak to Bob Cooper, Wetlettuce and all of the other DIR guys on here then I'm fairly sure you'll find that they have the same opinion that I do....

Thats because you and the other divers you mention are open minded but chose to dive within the defined peramiters of the DIR system. Lets face it the DIR fanatics who give the outfit a bad name wouldent even post on YD its not DIR.

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ](The anti DIR lobby would argue this point and tell you that I wouldn't dive with you because you weren't DIR but that's simply because it's an invaluable weapon for putting people off DIR)

I am not anti DIR but yes I will always pick up on this point because of the insulting and closed mind of SOME DIR folowers, Like GI3 for example... I like DIR in principle but I detest GI3 and those that share his pompus attitude.

ATB

Mark Chase

[And]

<font color='#0000FF'>Hi

OK, lets make things clear. This is a forum which is meant to discuss DIR in reasoned debate.

Its taken you guys only a couple of days to start using the s word. Another thread has already been attempted. It is quite easy for Heads Up to ban that word so that it cannot appear in posts. Here is another plea Jay!!

Desist, I don't care how upset, frustrated, or anything else you are. It is only confrontational and any 'reasoned debate' is impossible.

You are all better than this.

Andy

[Phil Ennis]

<font color='#0000FF'>Andy, I can't see your problem with the 'S' word, after all it was coined by DIR.

How about we will stop using it when George does. &nbsp;

[And]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Phil Ennis @ Aug. 31 2003,21:17)]Andy, I can't see your problem with the 'S' word, after all it was coined by DIR.

How about we will stop using it when George does.  

<font color='#0000FF'>Hi Phil

And because you can't see my problem that means you will just choose to ignore such a simple and small request?

Not very friendly now is it ?

And since when was George a member of the forum? He has never used the term on Yorkshire Divers so why should you?

Kindest Regards

Andy

[Phil Ennis]

<font color='#0000FF'>Andy, I am a friendly person but I will not be told to stop using a word just because you don't like it. It is not obscene but it is a word associated with DIR and that is what we are discussing on this forum, it is therefore inevitable that it will be used.

No, there is no sign of George on this forum, we do not just discuss topics within the YD environment but all aspects of diving. I find the DIR debate fascinating and admit that I enjoy reading the different attitudes of people towards it all, don't we all, just look at the viewing figures and I think that will answer that one. I want this forum to continue and I don't see any reason why we can't &nbsp;all play nicely, but there will undoubtedley be different views to yours, which you must accept along with the occasional use of that word. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

I hope we will all have a good laugh about this in the near future but in the meantime it may take a while for the dust to settle.

Chill out dude, life's too short.

[And]

<font color='#0000FF'>Hi

Phil, I look forward to you proving me wrong. It was a request, not an order. I try to consider all viewers, and not just the open minded ones such as yourself.

I am totally chilled, as always. In fact, I'm laughing about it right now

Kindest Regards

Andy

[Mark Chase]

I have to agree with Phill,

The non DIR fertinerty didnt start it. The point is it will always be a big issue because we non DIR divers take great offence at the term. Whilst the general concensus is to make light of it and claim to be a prowd one, thruth is it grates and the more effort and dedication you &nbsp;throw into your diving the more it grates.

It is a DIR issue. Quite a big one, and it will be discussed over and over again just like equaly other irritating subjects, PADI &nbsp;BSAC rings a bell. We all got fed up with that one so perhaps this issue will die a death on this forum but not just yet me thinks.

ATB

Mark Chase