Why can't I learn.

[Dominic]

Depends.. do you qualify as a Wide Load..?

[Paul Oliver]

OK

How about the helicopter turns? Are they shown?  I have a little twisty ankle type move that i do with one foot that spins me around quite nicely on the spot.

Would that sound a bit like a chopper turn? or am i being a chopper?

Dive Safe

Paul

[Bob Cooper]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Finless @ Mar. 02 2004,13:47)]

Bryan

You won't learn any of this stuff and perfect your skills by reading a book! You need to take a class.  Why do you say that "you would never be able to do a DIR course".  There are people on here, and elsewhere who can talk you through some of the stuff that you are interested in but the only way to experience it for real is to take a class.

PM me if you want to know anything specific, or ask on here.  I tend to monitor the DIR bit of YD periodically.

Bob

[Dominic]

Helicopter turns are a frog kick with only one leg

There is a vid of them at the same website.. or was last time I looked.

[Dominic]

P.S. Am I the only one who finds it amusing that a bloke with the screen name "Finless" is having problems with fin strokes?

[Finless]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Dominic @ Mar. 04 2004,10:56)]P.S. Am I the only one who finds it amusing that a bloke with the screen name "Finless" is having problems with fin strokes?

Yes - 'cause the less in Finless refers to the "complete absence of" (as in leaping off boat at Scapa without fins) as opposed to "not quite so much of".  

If you look at it the correct way it is inevitable that I will have problems.  

Anyhooo, I am using the "reverse finning" as an example of something that DIR teachings give that are not taught (to my knowledge) in main stream diving tuition. There may be others but I do not want to fork out the cash for the books that tell you what they are BUT not how to do it. Another example that springs to mind is calculating deco "on the fly".

[Finless]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Bob Cooper @ Mar. 03 2004,22:05)]Bryan

You won't learn any of this stuff and perfect your skills by reading a book! You need to take a class.  Why do you say that "you would never be able to do a DIR course".  There are people on here, and elsewhere who can talk you through some of the stuff that you are interested in but the only way to experience it for real is to take a class.

PM me if you want to know anything specific, or ask on here.  I tend to monitor the DIR bit of YD periodically.

Bob

Bob,

Thank you for the offer.

I think my kit set up would give a DIR instructor hysterics - although to my mind everything is a logical requirement of how I choose to dive. To coin a phrase - the ultimate in strokery.

I need to check out the DIR sites a bit more to glean some information and then decide wht to do.

My burning ambition, when I can afford it, is to get a rebreather (specifically the Inspiration or derivative of) - so there is probably no point.

Rgds
Bryan

[adam]

Hi,

The DIR system is designed to be used whole-but saying that, there is nothing that stops you using whichever parts of it you want! Like most systems though, you will compromise it's efficiency by combing it with "other" systems.

As an example-the reason behind using Jetfin type fins is that it is very hard to "reverse fin" or "helicopter turn" using any other type of fin!

Both those techniques need to be taught and practised in the water-it doesn't matter how many videos/book you read, you need to actually get wet to attempt them! As a matter of interest, the helicopter turn is actually one foot doing a modifed cave forward kick, the other doing a reverse kick. This will pivot you around a fixed point (in your own bodies' axis). If you just kick with one foot-you are actually doing a small circle rather than pivoting in your own body length.

As regard eligability for GUE training courses-there is a lot of assumption about whether people are eligible or not. Apart from some basics of equipment configuration (which can be hired/borrowed) there are no other requirements, beyond turning up and listening!

The purpose of all training is to expose you to new/different ideas-even if you chose not to dive in a specific system, at least some of the tools will prove valuable to you (as you have highlighted by asking about helicopter turns!). At the end of the day, decisions on how you dive are, and should be, decided by each individual after analysing a variety of different ideas, rather because you have attended a course or read about an idea!

Hope that helps

Adam

[Paul Oliver]

Dom,

Thanx that sounds like what i am doing. I am not convinced i am doing pure frogkicks but they work for me and i am not kicking stuff up.

We are fortunate in that we have a lot of sand on our pool bottom at the moment so i can practice fining above it and watch for movement to my hearts content. I will sweep it up for them one day as i may have put most of it there.

Adam

Thanx for that as well, if i'm going in circles they are very small ones. But i'll have a play around and see if i am moving off the spot tonight.

Dive safe

Paul

[NeilB]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (adam @ Mar. 04 2004,16:28)]As regard eligability for GUE training courses-there is a lot of assumption about whether people are eligible or not. Apart from some basics of equipment configuration (which can be hired/borrowed) there are no other requirements, beyond turning up and listening!

I thought you also had to be a non smoker and a light drinker (that's not drinking a lot rather than drinking lite beer!). I bet there is some clause about BMI in there as well.
So hiring the kit is not the answer for all.