Scopoderm

[Mark-B]

Questions about the above anti puke remedy,

would it be OK for use on a liveaboard ?

Just had fun on the Virgins Ahoy trip and must admit that a few times on the boat I was a little queasy, I dont want to have any probs on my first foreign dive trip so would prefer to be cautious, as a couple of my fellow virgins were using scopoderm and found it excellent, I was just wondering about the long term use and diving with it, any pressure issues with the patch etc ?


cheers
Mark

[recurve]

Ah, you found it then

Well from limited field testing, all was well up to the 15 or so meters we encountered. My patch was also being bolstered with Stugeron.

My only concern with 'patch' type medications is the potential effects of depth on absorbtion (increased pressure on the patch). I think if I was going deeper I would consider removing the patch before diving.

PS, did you get my tool box?

Phil

[John Gulliver]

As a retired pharmacist, I would have no qualms about using Scopoderm if I needed to - fortunately, I don't. Scopoderm does theoretically have all the usual belladonna side effects (dry mouth, visual disturbances etc) but, owing to the slow, constant release of the active ingredient, they are much less pronounced than when the drug is taken by mouth. The long duration of action, 72 hours, makes it a very convneient choice for liveaboard trips. As with most drugs, we know little about the effect on absorption, excretion etc of pressure but enough people have used Scopoderm without problems while diving to make it unlikely that there is any great risk in using the patches, in my opinion. HOWEVER, you should test the effects on you on dry land before using it when diving.

[Mark-B]

Hi Phil, John
Cheers for info, Phil for telling me about it, and John for the info,
will be ordering a pack and tr it out before hand many thanks,

Phil got your box, and a pair of brown trousers, didnt realise you was that nervy about Swanage , can you make Stoney on the 10th October (Monday) I get back from Hol on Sat night at 0000 hrs and the Monday would be good, want to have a bash with my drybag.


laters
Mark

Originally Posted by recurve

Ah, you found it then


PS, did you get my tool box?

Phil

[purple vonny]

I find Stugeron tablets very good, take them as you get off the plane and by the time you get on the boat you're sorted. You can wean off them after a day or 2 as your sea legs kick in. Twice recently I have got a bit complacent on boats and forgotten to take anything and on rough days I have fed the fish.
Recently discovered Traveleze (nice chewy pastilles, take one per day) these stopped me hurling on a choppy day on the last liveaboard trip. I had no side effects and no drowiness. I took 4 packs for my friends in Spain who hand them out to queesy students.

Excellent advice from John above about taking tabs or meds / patches on a non diving and non-driving day to check that you don't have unwanted side effects.
Good luck. It is very miserable feeling sick!!!!

[nigelH]

Originally Posted by Mark-B

Questions about the above anti puke remedy,
would it be OK for use on a liveaboard ?

I tried it and it didn't do much good and it didn't stay on after a big dive. Once I had used up the prescription I didn't ask for more.

I curently use one-and-a-half of the Quells version sold as a Boots own brand. The only time it has really let me down this year was a three hour run out when I got as far as kitting up, got snagged up and took my mind off horizons and things and lost it.

[John Gulliver]

Originally Posted by nigelH

I tried it and it didn't do much good and it didn't stay on after a big dive. Once I had used up the ...prescription I didn't ask for more.

I curently use one-and-a-half of the Quellsproduct version sold as a Boots own brand. The only time it has really let me down this year was a three hour run out when I got as far as kitting up, got snagged up and took my mind off horizons and things and lost it.

Was this recently, Nigel? The manufacturers did have problems with the original patches - they wouldn't stay on - and therefore withdraw the product from the market but reintroduced an improved version a couple of years ago. I haven't heard that people have had problems with the "new" version.

[turbanator]

I use Nelson's Travella from Boots.

It's homeopathic, so I don't know how John would feel about it, but I figure that as the ingredients are so diluted, then there will be no side effects - I'm not too sure that my logic holds up there

Anyway, it works for me, no side effects, the only 'problem' is that you need to take them every couple of hours.

I find I forget and then realise I still don't feel sick.
In fairness, I don't always get sick, but have been so know how awful it is.

I usually take these if it's going to be rough andhave never felt sick while taking them, so that's good enough for me

r
Paul

[nigelH]

Originally Posted by John Gulliver

Was this recently, Nigel? The manufacturers did have problems with the original patches - they wouldn't stay on - and therefore withdraw the product from the market but reintroduced an improved version a couple of years ago. I haven't heard that people have had problems with the "new" version.

It was this summer. I tried two and in both cases they were loose in my hood after the dive. Perspiring seemed to loosen them up too. I was seasick on one of the trips too and it wasn't that bad so I reverted to the tablets.

It was a pity really as I miss a lot of dives because I dehydrate myself chucking my breakfast overboard and feel it's not worth the risk. I have a good 'most days' fix and coxing the club's boats is developing some sea-legs but I keep hoping to find the magic bullet that fixes it.

I have the problem that I'm on beta-blockers so I can't take anything to scary. Also I can't afford to have an 'incident' as my dive medical is a not going to be so easy if I start telling bad tales of what went wrong last year...