HSE Medical - How Much !!!!

[Lazlo]

Diving at Work Regulations 1997

Duty to ensure compliance with these Regulations
4. Every person who to any extent is responsible for, has control over or is engaged in a diving project or whose acts or omissions could adversely affect the health and safety of persons engaged in such a project, shall take such measures as it is reasonable for a person in his position to take to ensure that these Regulations are complied with.

Nothing about recompense at all.

More HSE goodness here

[captn_peaky]

<devils advocate hat firmly on>
Thing is though: a DM is an assistant who may only assist under the direct supervision of a qualified (and thus insured) Instructor. So are they really "in control" or "responsible". (DM-led courses excluded of course)
</hat>

All I'm trying to say is that imho its a needlesly complicate grey area which could benefit from some definitive advice from PADI.

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by captn_peaky

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All I'm trying to say is that imho its a needlesly complicate grey area which could benefit from some definitive advice from PADI.

Nowt to do wi' PADI its all about UK law. Are you at work - in which case need HSE med or just just a "student" in which case need chuff-all??

I don't think there is a definative answer in respect of DM that receives no payment (in kind or whatever). They need 3rd party insurance and if the shop isn't "employing" them then they have to provide it themselves and risk being sued. So not only are you working for nothing (why on earth would anyone do that FFS??) but also opening up your personal liabilities...

If shop makes "payment in kind" air, gear loans etc.. then you are "at work" 'cos you're "employed" (but not an "employee" for tax)

Well I think that's how it works.

Chris

[Lazlo]

Originally Posted by captn_peaky

<devils advocate hat firmly on>
Thing is though: a DM is an assistant who may only assist under the direct supervision of a qualified (and thus insured) Instructor. So are they really "in control" or "responsible". (DM-led courses excluded of course)
</hat>

Every person who to any extent is responsible for, has control over or is engaged in a diving project

I think that covers it nicely.

Originally Posted by captn_peaky

All I'm trying to say is that imho its a needlesly complicate grey area which could benefit from some definitive advice from PADI.

I could be wrong, but I understood it to be the case that PADI International have definitively said that qualified DMs are indeed "divers at work". That's what my CD told me anyway.

Anyway, you'd have to be some sort of madman not to make sure that you're demonstrably "fit" enough to be involved in a diving operation involving members of the public.

[MacD]

My other half/dive buddy is a HSE Dive Doc and she does them a lot less than you lot are on about but you need to be in Newhaven to take advantage.

[scubadiver]

Hi, just had mine done in Beverley for £80

[purple vonny]

Mine was £130 if I paid cash, it was £150 if I paid by card but they didn't have a card machine so cash was the only option.

The amount charged seems to be arbitrary - it appears that individual doctors can charge what they like.

Considering that GPs can now earn about 80 - 100 k per year this is quite cheap really.

Good old NHS.

[Scubee]

Yes, a DM who is engaged in a 'diving project' is at work. The 'diving project' being a course or some other activity within the commercial environment, i.e. which has been paid for. The DM does not have to be being paid. Nothing to do with PADI, it is HSE regulations. Anyone working in the UK has to work within them as well as PADI standards.

I had my medical done at E-med. I think a first one is about £100, subsequent ones £80.