Help and Advice about Eustation tube problems

[SilvaFish]

Originally Posted by Neill

Beware of the internet.




I, too, experience ear difficulties from time to time. Ensure that you secure professional evidence based clinical advice.

best wishes

Neill

Hi Neil,
Mentioned the supplements, as the OP did ask. Didn't mention the ENT as she had already mentioned that she is seeing one.

Regards,
Lou

[Neill]

Yep, you're right he did ask. I re-read it and fair comment. He does need to be aware that whilst it is fine to have a hobby or interest in alternative / complimentary medicine that there is almost no evidence beyond placebo. Preventative or curative it's wishful thinking at best - deception at worst.

Please don't get me wrong - there is plenty to criticise in orthodox medicine but at least they try to use things that are proven to work and generally don't use things that are proven not to. Unlike herbalism, reflexology, homeopathy which still plough on despite evidence they are without worth.

And they survive because "we are all entitled to our opinion". Bloody humans - wont be told. I really do believe in free choice but informed choice - so if your 20 B&H says cigarettes kill on the packet. Alternative therapies should be labelled - these don't work.

My own field - the efficacy of the best anti-depressants is way less than adequate - some people some times get benefit from the best antidepressants. wow.

pompous rant over.

where's my neroli

Neill

[SilvaFish]

Originally Posted by Neill

Yep, you're right he did ask. I re-read it and fair comment. He does need to be aware that whilst it is fine to have a hobby or interest in alternative / complimentary medicine that there is almost no evidence beyond placebo. Preventative or curative it's wishful thinking at best - deception at worst.

Please don't get me wrong - there is plenty to criticise in orthodox medicine but at least they try to use things that are proven to work and generally don't use things that are proven not to. Unlike herbalism, reflexology, homeopathy which still plough on despite evidence they are without worth.

And they survive because "we are all entitled to our opinion". Bloody humans - wont be told. I really do believe in free choice but informed choice - so if your 20 B&H says cigarettes kill on the packet. Alternative therapies should be labelled - these don't work.

My own field - the efficacy of the best anti-depressants is way less than

adequate - some people some times get benefit from the best antidepressants. wow.

pompous rant over.

where's my neroli

Neill

Complimentary medicine, most have been around for how many hundreds of years? Orthodox, quite recent in comparison? I know what works for me, and was just suggesting this to the OP.

It sounds like that you may not have had much luck with complimentary medicine; probably as much luck that I've had with Orthodox medicine!

It doesn't mean that everyone has had that experience. Just keep an open mind.

Lou

[Neill]

I maintain an open mind until the weight of evidence is sufficient to make a decision. If you continue to hold an open mind despite the weight of evidence that is Faith. No thanks.

Despite the longevity of CAM very very very little evidence of benefit to people. When the financial cost is factored in then it can only really be considered recreation or a con.

good debate.

Bed calling - good night.

neill


PS. I have only ever had reflexology - from my wife who did an evening class - loved it. medicine? - er no. Don't need to try CAM just like I don't try heroine - read the research - it's not gonna do me any good.

[SilvaFish]

Originally Posted by Neill

I maintain an open mind until the weight of evidence is sufficient to make a decision. If you continue to hold an open mind despite the weight of evidence that is Faith. No thanks.

Despite the longevity of CAM very very very little evidence of benefit to people. When the financial cost is factored in then it can only really be considered recreation or a con.

good debate.

Bed calling - good night.

neill


PS. I have only ever had reflexology - from my wife who did an evening class - loved it. medicine? - er no. Don't need to try CAM just like I don't try heroine - read the research - it's not gonna do me any good.

Yes, so some therapies have been dropped over the years as evidence found those to be harmful. But then, same can be said for orthodox medicine, remember that morning sickness drug used around the 60's that got banned as it caused deformaties in babies? So both sides have pros and cons.

[scuby looby]

Thanks for all your help, adivce, PMs and kind messages from everyone, it really is much appreciated. I now have the name and address of another ENT who knows more about diving, plus lots of other avenues to explore.

Fingers crossed.

[Sipadan]

Originally Posted by SilvaFish

Complimentary medicine, most have been around for how many hundreds of years?

a poor argument, so have lots belief systems but that doesn't make them any more valid.

edit: another thought, intelligent discussions about therapies of any kind should be about evidence base, rather than traditional vs. complimentary. evidence-based analyses are rubbishing traditional medicines all the time. it also seems to be the case that there is very little good evidence for complimentary medicines. there may be numeous reasons for this, for example, there may be little funding (i.e. drug company money) available for clinical trials into complimentary medicines. however, to be believe in something for which there is no good evidence isn't keeping an open mind, it's stupidity.

sorry scuby looby, i know we're going off on a bit of a tangent.

[SilvaFish]

Originally Posted by Sipadan

a poor argument, so have lots belief systems but that doesn't make them any more valid.

edit: another thought, intelligent discussions about therapies of any kind should be about evidence base, rather than traditional vs. complimentary. evidence-based analyses are rubbishing traditional medicines all the time. it also seems to be the case that there is very little good evidence for complimentary medicines. there may be numeous reasons for this, for example, there may be little funding (i.e. drug company money) available for clinical trials into complimentary medicines. however, to be believe in something for which there is no good evidence isn't keeping an open mind, it's stupidity.

sorry scuby looby, i know we're going off on a bit of a tangent.

If believing in something that has no good evidence, maybe because of lack of funding for clinical trials and research, wouldn't then keeping a closed mind also be stupid? Did you know that Acupuncture is used in the NHS? So no need for a 'blanket' rubbishing for Complimentary Medicine! What works for some, may not work for others. Pros and cons goes both ways.

[DIVE BUDDHA]

Originally Posted by Sipadan

a poor argument, so have lots belief systems but that doesn't make them any more valid.

edit: another thought, intelligent discussions about therapies of any kind should be about evidence base, rather than traditional vs. complimentary. evidence-based analyses are rubbishing traditional medicines all the time. it also seems to be the case that there is very little good evidence for complimentary medicines. there may be numeous reasons for this, for example, there may be little funding (i.e. drug company money) available for clinical trials into complimentary medicines. however, to be believe in something for which there is no good evidence isn't keeping an open mind, it's stupidity.

sorry scuby looby, i know we're going off on a bit of a tangent.

just as a matter of intrest sipadan have you ever tried complimentry medicine !! im sure that it wouldnt have been around for so long if its use was flawed!
im a great believer in useing both complimentry and traditional and try to keep an open mind and will not rubbish anything until ive tried it for myself ,

i think there is place for both in todays society and reserve the rite to choose which course of treatment i take !

anyway its only the internet !

be happy everyone!!

best wishes leigh gurranga

[Sipadan]

Originally Posted by SilvaFish

If believing in something that has no good evidence, maybe because of lack of funding for clinical trials and research, wouldn't then keeping a closed mind also be stupid?

nope, but that doesn't mean i would dismiss them out of hand. i would just like to see some good trials into complimentary medicine before they are dished out to patients.

Originally Posted by SilvaFish

Did you know that Acupuncture is used in the NHS?

yes and it's funny that you should mention that because acupuncture is one of the few complimentary medicines that has some evidence to support it. e.g. Acupuncture for neck disorders

other therapies may not last much longer in the nhs:

NHS told to abandon alternative medicine-News-UK-Health-TimesOnline

this is a serious issue, NHS money spent on unproven therapies is taken away from other areas such as cancer drugs. i know that sounds emotive, but that's actually what's happening!

Originally Posted by SilvaFish

So no need for a 'blanket' rubbishing for Complimentary Medicine! What works for some, may not work for others. Pros and cons goes both ways.

i didn't rubbish complimentary medicine, just called for rational, evidence-based research before it's used. that applies to traditional medicine as well.