Appropriate Conduct On YD

[Bantam]

Originally Posted by Digger

The other thing I think people have to be careful of is a bit of horseplay with your mates being seen by others as offensive. If I didn't know YDers the way I do I wouldn't say half of what I do. Please don't let anyone think they're not welcome, because they are. A lot has been said and done in the past (take some of the rows Chasey and And and Bob C have had) and they have happily dived on the same boats and even in the water together. I've had blazing rows which have come to strong words offline and I still dive with all of them.

The familiarity with most people comes from having met them, or having a pretty good idea of their personality type.

Example - When I read Digger's posts, I can mentally hear him talking them out loud, so I know his internation, and what his phrasing means. That way I know whether he's being sarcastic, serious or otherwise.

However, some people it's quite difficult to read. They may be abrupt with their responses, but when they type it it doesn't go out that way. And things kick off etc..

E-Mail and Text is such a hard medium to gauge sometimes. Some people tend to read 'borderline' things as negative, and some as positive. Bren and Digs (and some others) definitely have the right attitude, and by that I mean if they want to have a discussion of deeper issues they'll ring each other and talk verbally. That way you can get a feel for the attitude and tone of the person.

Just my 2p worth

[yellowduke]

I have enough trouble with people misunderstanding my sarcasm face to face never mind in the virtual world. Caveats in the text might help the 'sarcasm impaired'!

Jim

[Finless]

Originally Posted by yellowduke

I have enough trouble with people misunderstanding my sarcasm face to face never mind in the virtual world. Caveats in the text might help the 'sarcasm impaired'!

Jim

Misunderstanding of forum posts etc were why Smileys were invented.

[jknights]

Originally Posted by nigelH

You must always remember that DIR is more of a philosophy than, as some people view it, a plan of gear. It was built up by bitter experience of cave diving and every step is made to minimise the problems to the team of a failure.

The CCR, with its minimum bailout and electronic control was, and still is I believe, viewed as a bridge too far on the trust stakes. There is too much reliance placed on sensors that may not last the voyage. The guardians of the DIR idea have produced an SCR rebreather but it uses mechanical methods to control the gas mix rather than the totally closed loop of the ECCR systems.

It's a valid take on the situation. It is rather sad that things are so polarised but that's the way it has worked out. Some very good friends of mine are DIR, well, not quite: They disobey rule number one. They dive with me.

Nigel,

Thanks for the response.
I am more enlightened by that response.

I can see their point.
Call me a 'scaredy cat' and I might agree but that is why I don't go deep into wrecks especially some of the older ones as it might collapse on me. And the cave stuff is of lesser interest as its just a tunnel with water, however to each his own. I'm happy swimming around with my CCR with a couple of housed still cameras. Some people would definitely find that boring.

If I want adrenaline I can find it in a hospital pharmacy or on a racetrack.

[Sheff diver]

Originally Posted by nigelH

You must always remember that DIR is more of a philosophy than, as some people view it, a plan of gear. It was built up by bitter experience of cave diving and every step is made to minimise the problems to the team of a failure.

The CCR, with its minimum bailout and electronic control was, and still is I believe, viewed as a bridge too far on the trust stakes. There is too much reliance placed on sensors that may not last the voyage. The guardians of the DIR idea have produced an SCR rebreather but it uses mechanical methods to control the gas mix rather than the totally closed loop of the ECCR systems.

Doing 'big' cave dives with a single rebreather (and not enough stages/staged bail out gas) is like doing any cave dive with a single cylinder. I don't know anyone who cave dives without sufficient redundancy (and that don't include multiple built in sensors etc.)

Marcus

PS no-one said it would be cheap!