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| I Learned About Diving From That...: Discuss 27th of December 2006 in the General Diving Forums forums: Was a day I'll never forget. A mid-winter trip out of Brighton had been organised (through YD if ... |
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| Thanks Mark. I had heard about this at the time and knew the stigmas involved so was going to PM you to post anonomously. However, two things that strike me which come up quite often in this sub-forum (generally) and you have identifed them which hopefully means that people will learn from them. 1. Denial with DCS. 2. Training, or lack of recent training. Having been with Garf with his bend, and also had the denials myself on two occasions (on both counts they weren't bends), I know how strong that feeling can be. If in doubt, there is no doubt. And the training has been done to death!! Thanks again for posting. I also know there were some issues with the inwater bods and I hope will come forward with their points as there is something to be learned from that too.
__________________ Gareth Images of Life Photography DIR Team Foxturd Blog: Travels Underwater and Further Afar Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming aircrew. You can't do both. The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. Last edited by GLOC : 02-04-08 at 11:16 PM. Reason: Spooling! :D |
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| Good that your all okay and back in the wet stuff.
__________________ Simon TW The thing about free advice is you get what you paid for. http://www.sirenian.org "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain." Time to dive. |
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| Muppet. EDIT l've waited fifteen months to say that.
__________________ Howard, "Howard takes cool and stamps on it a few times before wiping his arse with it and feeding it to the dog" - Mark Chase - Tuesday 10.18pm 18-10-05 One of the 300 standing behind Steve Leonidas trying to stop the hords of heathen derers invading YD DUE member Last edited by Diving Dude : 02-04-08 at 11:56 PM. |
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BTW Mark - you didn't mention the backgas you were using. I'm assuming you were using standard gases but it might be a good idea to clarify for those who aren't DIR and/or GUE trained... BTW2 - I liked the way you credited your BSAC and PADI training. Just goes to show that once you become a 'roughty-toughty techie', there are still important lessons from recreational diver training that remain just as valid! Just goes to prove that GUE doesn't hold the monopoly on good training, after all...
__________________ "No one is more effectively enslaved than those who think they are free" - Charles Sullivan Last edited by Bardo : 02-04-08 at 11:51 PM. |
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| This was the one and only time l've met Mark, which was a pity because it would have been an ideal opportunity to 'rip da piss'. Now l've met you Mark, you're fair game
__________________ Howard, "Howard takes cool and stamps on it a few times before wiping his arse with it and feeding it to the dog" - Mark Chase - Tuesday 10.18pm 18-10-05 One of the 300 standing behind Steve Leonidas trying to stop the hords of heathen derers invading YD DUE member |
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| Glad everything turned out OK in the end. It seems that whilst there are other contributing factors the 'biggy' was the ascent rate. Looking at the 1st graph it appears that you left bottom - 43m @ RT 33 mins arriving at a first deep stop of 28 metres @ RT 35 mins. So 15 metres in 2 mins or an ascent rate of 7.5 m/min. Out of curiosity what was the standard ascent rate for this portion of the dive from your training? What further training had your other team member had and do I understand correctly that he was trained to ascend at a higher rate? Do we know why this is ? We're constantly reminded that GUE is a complete holistic system and must be fully embraced for it to work. I am therefore surprised that a disparity in such an important (arguably the most important) phase of the dive appears to exist. ATB Graham . |
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| The T1 ascent rates are below As you can see, for the deep part, the ascent rate is planned to be 9m/min
__________________ Gareth Images of Life Photography DIR Team Foxturd Blog: Travels Underwater and Further Afar Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming aircrew. You can't do both. The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. |
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| Hi all, thanks for your comments. I was not kidding when I said BSAC drysuit training and PADI OW 'don't hold your breath' training kicking in. My buddy had taken Tech-2 and was really drilled to get moving and keep up the ascent speed in the first phase of their ascent. It wasn't hammered home so much on my Tech-1 course so my regular buddy and I never ascended at this speed. On the second dive pictured above I felt like I was having another rapid ascent up to the deepstops. I think the Vytec ascent rate alarm went off (the blue dot on the profile). I would now expect this ascent speed and do the same myself when I'm running the deco. The dive gasses were 18/45 and 50%. Cheers, Mark. |
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| 9m/min is a fairly standard rate across agencies these days, is it not. Until you're used to doing it, it does seem pretty quick but you really don't want to be hanging about racking up more deco. Mark, were you already GUE trained at the time? |
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