ACOP Regulation 12 - students log of dives

[IanDennis]

12 (3) Every diver engaged in a diving project shall

(a) maintain a daily record of his diving

92 Diving logs should include as a minimum the particulars recommended by the apppropriate recreational diving organisation's standards manual. They should be accurate and reflects the information contained in the diving operation record.

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The above is taken from the ACOP and I was wondering what everybodies interpretation of it was a view to students logging dives?

Having discussed recently with the HSE they are of the view that each diver should have a log of the dives they complete whilst they are on any training course including both instructors and students.

If somebody comes to a course without a logbook then the instructor can provide simple log sheets during the course in order to comply with their obligations under ACOP.

So if your an instructor covered by these regulations then is this the way you interpret ACOP ?

[Air Guzzler]

So Ian Whats your Question

[nickb]

I've never understood why recreational divers are expected to log dives. I only did it 'cos it was expected but stopped a few years ago.

We're not airline pilots for God's sake. I can't think of another hobby where this sort of nonsense is expected. Nobody asks to see my log book when I turn up for skiing.

[IanDennis]

I guess it depends upon how you read the acop - I had always thought that my ops log, risk assessment, project plan etc would suffice but it would appear that HSE that the view that all divers should be logging their dives. I just wondered if anybody else had heard of this?

Nick - I think we have debated personal logs before I still log mine whether teaching or not .

[fatone]

Why would they want to see your diving log when you go skiing Nick ?

I keep a meticulous log, its in me computer, it complies with the regs.

[Silent Diver]

I've never understood why recreational divers are expected to log dives. I only did it 'cos it was expected but stopped a few years ago.

We're not airline pilots for God's sake. I can't think of another hobby where this sort of nonsense is expected. Nobody asks to see my log book when I turn up for skiing.

As we all know there are certain diving courses that require you have completed a certain number of dives before you can start training.

If you dont keep a log how are you going to prove that you are complying with the course requirements.

My dive log was checked before I started my Adv Nitrox/Deco Procedures course and has been checked any number of times since then.

I dont see what the hardship is in logging dives for me its nice and simple download the computer to my PC and fill in the boxes how hard can that be.

[nickb]

As we all know there are certain diving courses that require you have completed a certain number of dives before you can start training.

If you dont keep a log how are you going to prove that you are complying with the course requirements.

My dive log was checked before I started my Adv Nitrox/Deco Procedures course and has been checked any number of times since then.

I dont see what the hardship is in logging dives for me its nice and simple download the computer to my PC and fill in the boxes how hard can that be.

A book with some numbers and dates in doesn't prove anything.

I've never been asked to prove that I've done 'a certain number of dives' and no-one's ever demanded to see my log book. Before doing my AN&DP and Trimix courses I was asked to sign a document stating that I met the course criteria.

Of course it's not hard to download one's dive to a PC and from time-to-time I do that if there's something about a given dive that I wish to check, but that doesn't constitute evidence that I personally did the dives. I could just a easily have borrowed the computer or bought a log book and started fabricating dives.

The only reason I can see that people should wish to log dives is as some sort of memento and that doesn't interest me.

[biggadiver]

12 (3) Every diver engaged in a diving project shall

(a) maintain a daily record of his diving

92 Diving logs should include as a minimum the particulars recommended by the apppropriate recreational diving organisation's standards manual. They should be accurate and reflects the information contained in the diving operation record.

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The above is taken from the ACOP and I was wondering what everybodies interpretation of it was a view to students logging dives?

Having discussed recently with the HSE they are of the view that each diver should have a log of the dives they complete whilst they are on any training course including both instructors and students.

If somebody comes to a course without a logbook then the instructor can provide simple log sheets during the course in order to comply with their obligations under ACOP.

So if your an instructor covered by these regulations then is this the way you interpret ACOP ?

Not really much to interpret every diver means every diver includes instructors, assistants and people under training-every diver

maintain a daily record means exactly that, dives logged in a computer do not meet the requirement as its not personal to the diver and the same goes for the dive log etc carried out by the supervisor.

To make it very clear, Every diver (involved in an at work dive/under instruction) must log the dive in a book, sheet of paper or electronicaly but this is a requirement of most courses as at the end of each dive it normally states, log dive.

Originally Posted by nickb
I've never understood why recreational divers are expected to log dives. I only did it 'cos it was expected but stopped a few years ago.

We're not airline pilots for God's sake. I can't think of another hobby where this sort of nonsense is expected. Nobody asks to see my log book when I turn up for skiing.

The ACOPS mentioned is for divers at work.
Recreational divers do have to log dives, there is no legal requirement, its just recommended and often needed to sign onto some courses.

[Adrian Kelland]

The only reason I can see that people should wish to log dives is as some sort of memento and that doesn't interest me.

I find the log useful for that very reason. I have a lousy memory, so looking up the details of what I have done may help a future plan. Depth mainly.

That and wondering how much worse my handwriting can possibly get

[andrallan]

I've been diving for about eight years and have logged everyone of my dives (as trainee, recreational diver and instructor0. I like to have a record of the site and what I did on the dives. Its nice to flip through the log and remember some of the better dives. It also helps me plan dives back at the same site. After the first hundred or so dives I found I was writing very little but as time went on I found I was recording more and more.