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    Back Mounted Counter Lungs on the JJ-CCR

    Two dives in Stoney Cove today to try out the Back Mounted Counter Lungs on the JJ-CCR. Firstly my thanks to Zoe who buddied me on the two dives and kept an eye on the two new-ish PADI divers we had with us. Zoe is a self proclaimed 'blond' and a recreational diver, who makes a habit of rescuing technical divers in Stoney, so I was in very safe company...

    The strip down of the BMCL's is on the next post, so I won't go into that here in too much detail. Suffice it to say, they are of the 'Plastic Bag in Nylon' construction, very tough and sturdy and come as a single 'panel' to attach between your wing and your backplate. The actual 'bag' bit of the lungs sits outside the backplate wings and so isn't compressed and is free to work.

    I was quite nervous about these dives as I had never dived with BMCL's before. It’s funny really, I had no trouble jumping straight in with the OTS lungs, but I was very cautious with the BMCL's, I guess it’s what you are used to..

    If you have been following this thread, you will know that I have had some discomfort with the ADV not pumping enough gas into the loop on descent. To try and make that better, I cranked up the IP from 9 bar to 11 bar, which caused me my only problem of the day. Every time I looked down, the BOV free flowed, so I had to do the whole first dive staring straight ahead.

    Dive 1, Max 21m, 36 minutes, ppO2 1.2, 20/30

    This was a dive in off the bus stop, then over to the Stanegarth, tried to find the APC, back to the 6m shelf and out. I had the BOV trouble at the beginning, but the rest of the dive went smoothly. The BMCL's do not have a sensitive OP valve in the same way as the OTS lungs do. You have to be very aware of your loop volume and adjusting it through your mouth regularly. This took some getting used to, and I did bob up and down a bit, but never by more than a metre and it was quickly sorted. For me, this was not as comfortable a dive as OTS lungs but it was my first one, so I was fairly happy. The BMCL's certainly make it a lot easier to get into and out of the unit, and that was something that I did appreciate.

    Dive 2, Max 26m, 40 minutes, ppO2 1.2, 20/30

    Before this dive I tweaked the IP down to 10 bar, this seems to be a good number for it. The ADV worked well, with only an occasional need for injection and the BOV was fine. I think that this is where I will leave it for the moment, if I need more gas I will work on the ADV next.

    From the bus stop, down the road, followed the wall around at about 25m, over the pit and onto the plateau on the other side. Was a bit more used to the BMCL's now so this dive was a bit easier. I just felt that I had to be a little bit more aware, actively ensuring that I was maintaining MLV, which is something I can do almost unconsciously on the OTS lungs. I nailed my weighting on this dive as well, with 20 bar in my dil bottle and 30 bar of O2, I was perfectly weighted in fresh water with just the backplate and nothing else. I am using 5l steel cylinders for both dil and O2 and carrying a 7l stage with air at 200 bar. I guess this means I will have to lose the KT reel, it’s just too heavy and I am starting to notice it now.

    I must also confess to getting a bit of a spank from Dave. I mentioned in a previous post that I was using the HUD as my primary display, this is very bad practice, the Pursuit set point controller is always primary, the HUD is a secondary and that is the proper way to dive this unit. I'm very sorry Dave, I will look at my Pursuit from now on...

    All in all, no huge problems diving the BMCL's, I wasn't as comfortable on them as I was on the OTS lungs, but that is probably just familiarity. I will be taking both to Scapa with me at the end of the week. I certainly felt I had to be more aware to maintain MLV on the BMCL's and my buoyancy was occasionally ropey, but never anything dangerous. There was certainly no noticeable difference in WOB, at one point I was swimming quite hard and I had no problems getting the gas I needed through the loop. On the second dive I tried the BMCL's in different positions, level, head up and head down, didn't seem to make a whole lot of difference, but when I rolled over onto my back, I did get a bit of 'chipmunk' cheeks, nothing uncomfortable, but a very slight pressure on my cheeks. If I blew off gas here, then when I rolled back over, I had a small hit on the ADV as you would expect, so really, everything worked normally.

    I was under the impression that the BMCL's would dive very differently to the OTS lungs, they do not, and this is a good thing, though you need to be a little more aware at the beginning. I know some people obsess about a clear chest area etc., personally, I don't give a toss, I just want to dive with the safest lungs that give me the lowest WOB. Given this, I would be happy diving either the BMCL's, with more practice, or the OTS lungs right now. The OTS lungs lie flat against your chest so they don't get in your way, the BMCL's are totally out of the way and apart from the O2 injector will leave your chest completely clear. They seem to breathe as well as the OTS lungs and thus will be a good choice if this is important to you. Providing the WOB is the same on both BMCL and OTS lungs, then this is a choice you can make entirely on personal preference, with no need to make any compromises, and that is a very good thing. I enjoyed diving them and they make getting into and out of the unit a lot easier, so I will report back on my progress with them next week.

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    First a picture with the hoses all sorted out and the routing fixed. You can also see my 5l steel bottles for dil and O2. These are not bail out, I carry that separately on side slungs, I also have a 1.5l suit inflate bottle on the unit.



    It probably took me a lot longer to fit the BMCL's than it should have. Firstly I spent half an hour staring at them, scratching my head, wondering how the hell to put them on.! Then it came to me, I had the T-pieces on the wrong way round, 5 minutes with an Allen key and we were in business. First thing on is the Wing, in this case, my trusty Buddy TekWing.



    Then comes the panel with the BMCL's, making sure inhale and exhale go round the right way and the ADV is in the right place.



    This is followed by the backplate and harness. The harness straps slip through loops on the bottom of the BMCL panel, as shown in the pictures below. With my comfort harness, there is no great problem re-rigging between OTS and BMCL harnesses, but if you use a one piece harness, this could very quickly become a PITA.



    This is the BMCL panel, the first picture is the back, or the bit that goes against the wing, the second is the front or the bit that goes against the backplate.





    I've had a lot of people ask me if the lungs work OK squashed between the backplate and the wing. Well they work fine, that’s because they are not squashed at all. The bag bit that inflates and deflates is well to the side of the backplate, in fact if you lay them flat the BMCL panel is slightly wider than the wing. Given that the backplate is a dog bone one, there are no problems with the lungs working. I tried them at the surface with the wing fully inflated and the loop volume at maximum and had no problems at all.

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    Back to the build, I understand the production versions of the JJ-CCR will come with one injector only, on the exhale counterlung, or the O2 side. I asked for mine to be built with two injectors, one on each side. Putting these on turned into something of a mission, I had ordered 2 x 30cm Miflex regulator hoses, when the injectors arrived, both ends were 3/8" fitting, my own fault I should have asked. Luckily, I had some AP reusable 3/8" fittings, so I chopped the ends off some spare regulator hoses and fitted the 3/8" ends on to make 30cm 3/8" to 3/8" hoses. Obviously on the production versions, these will come fitted so you won’t have this problem.



    Shiny..!! They have a standard nipple for connecting to the gas supply, this nipple is mounted so it can rotate to face up or down. I configured them so that the inject button is on the inside, so both buttons are facing each other. In the picture below, it is injector button, gas supply hose, and feed hose to counterlung.



    Less shiny picture of my dil injector



    The whole unit rigged up and ready to go.



    I guess it took me about 2 hours to rig this all up, including figuring out which T piece goes where and making the hoses. The dive report is on a previous post, they worked fine. Now I have all the bits ready, I think it would take me about 15 minutes to swap between BMCL and OTS lungs.

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    Look nice , one question though ;- how easy is it to recover from a flood with the bmcl ?
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    very easy, there is a dump in the bottom of each lung

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccrdave View Post
    very easy, there is a dump in the bottom of each lung
    Doh, missed them in the picture !
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    I've had a chat with Dave and I'm going to change the hose routing on the exhale counterlung. I am going to turn the T piece around 180 degrees so it is on the inside of the rig. This will then inject O2 after the water stop, instead of before as it is now.

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    Hi
    Can you tell me how much air litres takes the BMCL?
    Thanks for your effort showing us the RB.

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    Hi Mikel,

    I don't know and I don't know how to measure this. Beast ask Dave.

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    Fill the lung with water and then measure out into a pint jug when emptying?

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