Incident discussions

[MATTBIN]

Should we have a seperate area to allow for discusions of incidents that perhaps should be members only, so as to shield if possible those directly associated with the loss of a loved one?

Matt

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I believe that discusion would be helpful as Adrian suggested, we need to learn from these incidents, a decent time period perhaps could be set aside to show our respect for the sad loss.

[EBT]

I'd support this, with a few caveats.


1. It should be limited to facts only, no speculation etc.
2. It should most certainly be closed and require registration
3. It'd need active moderation
4. It's purpose should be purely accident analysis to allow identification of root cause and allow others to learn from this.

This is always an emotive subject, but at the end of the day, if we dont look at why/how mishaps happen, how can we improve "our" safety.



/Zak

[Tony F]

If I get a vote this suggestion would have mine.

[gobfish1]

No

It's allways speculation ,

[resting rifleman]

I'd support this, with a few caveats.


1. It should be limited to facts only, no speculation etc.
2. It should most certainly be closed and require registration
3. It'd need active moderation
4. It's purpose should be purely accident analysis to allow identification of root cause and allow others to learn from this.

This is always an emotive subject, but at the end of the day, if we dont look at why/how mishaps happen, how can we improve "our" safety.



/Zak

this sounds like a good plan, it would take very delicate handling though!

[TerryH]

Should we have a seperate area to allow for discusions of incidents that perhaps should be members only, so as to shield if possible those directly associated with the loss of a loved one?

Matt

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I believe that discusion would be helpful as Adrian suggested, we need to learn from these incidents, a decent time period perhaps could be set aside to show our respect for the sad loss.

More than helpful. It's because it's so topical that people will pay more attention.

Look at Kylie and her breast op.
There has been a massive increase in young women getting checked out and
as a direct result lives will be saved.

TerryH

[Mark Powell]

The following is taken from a US based forum which has a seperate area for accident analysis.

The owners of The Deco Stop understand that accidents can be a very emotional topic for many people. Whether it be our friends, loved ones, associates, or even an unfamiliar person; there is still a kinship to the victim, bound by the common interest of diving.

However, the point of this forum is to discuss and find the causes of accidents, and as such, to learn from the mistakes of the victims; so the accident is not in vain and can aid in our awareness, our techniques for rescue, and our techniques for avoiding problems in the first place.

In order to achieve this, it is best to keep a emotional distance from the victims, to avoid deviating from the overall goal by personalizing the threads with condolences or discussions about the individual persons involved, beyond what is necessary to understand the causes.

Because of this, the owners of The Deco Stop respectfully request that our members refrain from participating in threads in the accidents forum if they feel they can not step back and discuss the accident with clinical objectivity. Likewise we respectfully request that you refrain from condolence posts in the accidents forum. If you wish to express your condolences, please look for a thread in the various lounges that has been created as a memorial thread for the victims; or start one yourself. Those memorial threads will be for the things that have no place in the accident discussion such as condolence notes; discussions about who the victims were as persons, trading stories about their lives, or anything else that aids in the healing process.

[Paul Beal]

I wonder if we should all just be careful not to speculate too much and stick to the facts as we know them. If a loved one wants to access "subscriber only" discussions I imagine they will be able to.

Paul

[JohnK]

Facts or objective speculation will both help us to risk assess what we do and learn from real tragic events. The idea gets my vote

[JAG]

I don't mean for this to sound insensitive and I'm not playing devils advocate, but why a members only area? A separate topic by all means. Any lessons that can be learned should be shared by one and all, and I'm sure the families would agree. Idle gossip should be kept off but facts are facts are facts and could help someone immediately, not a week, a month or 3 months later when a suitable time frame has elapsed. How does one determine a suitable period of time for respect? If someone holds factual information that could benefit a fellow diver, they should feel duty bound to make it available as soon as possible in my opinion.