More comments please

[ray]

Hi.

This has just been posted on another forum I am on, I found it thought provoking .
The content seems to be a reasonable point of debate if true, or it could be a load of bollocks !.

What do the YD massive think in a non racist way please.

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The Uncomfortable Definition of an Infidel....


Allah or Jesus Christ? Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK ..

Last month I attended my annual training session for maintaining my security clearance in the prison service.

There was a presentation by three speakers from the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained their beliefs.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say about the basics of Islam, complete with video.

After the presentations, question time. I directed my question to the Imam and asked: 'Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a Holy War against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are

Assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'

There was no disagreement with my statement and, without hesitation, he replied, 'Non-believers!'

I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah

Have been commanded to kill everyone who is not a follower of Allah, so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'

The expression on his face changed from one of authority to that of 'a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the biscuit tin.'

He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'

I then stated, 'Well, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope Benedict commanding all Catholics to kill Muslims, or the Archbishop of Canterbury ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'

The Imam was speechless!

I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because He will take me to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam remained speechless.

Needless to say, the organizers of the Diversification' seminar were not happy with this way of exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.

Within twenty years, i.e.. 2029, there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.K. To elect a government of their choice, complete with Sharia law

Everyone in the U..K. Should be required to read this, but with the current political paralysis, tolerant justice system, liberal media and p.c. Madness, there is no way this will be widely publicized.

Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.

John Harrison MBE. MIDSc

[balbrigganbloke]

Sorry looks to be a bit of a spoof
ThePickards Racism: Infidel Papers and Counting Mohammeds

[Tunicates]

There is a thought that is provoked ray........what is your intention in posting this?
Any anti islamic/black/hispanic/freckled-people* tendancies you'd care to divulge?


*choose at random or as fashionable

[Morag]

The thought it provoked here was ' Yippeee.... it is Friday already'....

Then i realised it was only wednesday.

I know that YD is a broad church, and there are many, varied discussions on here, but really, do we have to have a constant stream of religious/anti-religions/racist threads like this?

It is getting really tedious.

[ray]

Sorry looks to be a bit of a spoof
ThePickards Racism: Infidel Papers and Counting Mohammeds

Hi.

Thanks for that.

I had a bit of trouble with the so called writer of the article and I can discount him as fictional, the thing I have a problem with and didn't really understand is the content of the message true, and that is what I was trying to find out.

[scubadoo100]

My father in law sent me that e mail also the one about Starbucks and the us troops thing, I know some things have to be curtailed in the UK and here in Ireland before we go down the mire , but e mails and other propoganda like the daily mail do not help in my opinion , also its worth noting that the dailt mail did not once havethe Haiti earthquake on the front page , other pressing news I suppose. I hope that last bit is true as I do not read the daily mail and only read it on internet ! what a dangerous place we live in with all this fiction.

[Druid]

My father in law sent me that e mail also the one about Starbucks and the us troops thing, I know some things have to be curtailed in the UK and here in Ireland before we go down the mire , but e mails and other propoganda like the daily mail do not help in my opinion , also its worth noting that the dailt mail did not once havethe Haiti earthquake on the front page , other pressing news I suppose. I hope that last bit is true as I do not read the daily mail and only read it on internet ! what a dangerous place we live in with all this fiction.

Yes, my father in law is a bigoted fascist too. I'm tempted to add him to my spam list

[Tunicates]

Ray, I understand what your question is, and to be honest, I had to go and have a look online to go and clear something up.

There is no far reaching Islamic Holy War that dictates that all Muslims must kill infidels. When Islamic folks generally speak of a Holy War it is the war that goes on in our hearts and minds that they speak of.
There is thing called a Fatwa. It's a declaration by a Muslim cleric about actions that should or should not be taken by the faithful. Some sections of Islam beleive a Fatwa
is a commandment, others think they arnt obligatory, and they bicker amoungst themselves over these sorts of things.
There is an internet. You can research these things pretty easily.

[Morag]

Ray, I understand what your question is, and to be honest, I had to go and have a look online to go and clear something up.

There is no far reaching Islamic Holy War that dictates that all Muslims must kill infidels. When Islamic folks generally speak of a Holy War it is the war that goes on in our hearts and minds that they speak of.
There is thing called a Fatwa. It's a declaration by a Muslim cleric about actions that should or should not be taken by the faithful. Some sections of Islam beleive a Fatwa
is a commandment, others think they arnt obligatory, and they bicker amoungst themselves over these sorts of things.
There is an internet. You can research these things pretty easily.

Yes, but researching somethign on the internet wouldn't be as interesting - he wouldn't have the collective wisdom of YD, or the opportunity to start a Wednesday Ruck

[Lazlo]

For some reason, my sig seems relevant.