Oxyhydrogen Voodoo gas for cars??

[Timbo]

Anyone experience of this system/ technology for their motors ??

Oxy Hydrogen The Ultimate Fuel Saving Device

Certainly looks interesting and viable as an alternative to LPG conversion,,

[applepie]

reckon its most likely a scam, theoretically possible and it would work as well if you changed a few things. so actually it could possibly work.

major flaw I can see is the fact that you would have to tune your engine as a H2/air/fuel mixture will burn in a different manner to a standard air/fuel mixture. you will get pistons misfiring etc.

this is made worse by the fact that the supply of H2 may not be exactly constant over a period of time, which affecst the mixture and the tuning of your engine.

I am no expert in electrochemistry, but I am not convinced that you can get such a small unit to efficiently electrolyse water to produce sufficient hydrogen to get any benefit.

plus I am pretty sure the octane rating of your fuel remains constant regardless of the oxygen available. octane is a function of properties of the fuel itself.

[thehappychappy]

7 Litre stage
EAN50
Long hose (steal from a DIR bloke)
put the output from the long hos into the airfilter box
put the cylinder with first stage on the passenger seat feed the hose through the bulkhead.
drive and when you need your car to burn more effeicntly just open the cylinder.

Hey presto instant horespower....




P.S. ok own up who has tried this already? Digs?

[Luddite]

Oh its a big scam. If it was that simple to make fuel by splitting water we would all be doing it. In the real world the energy needed to split the hydrogen oxygen bond is greater then the amount of energy you get from burning it. This is due to little things like no electrical conductor is 100% efficient. No engine is 100% efficient too. So you loose energy as heat light and sound.

So the idea of this thing is it take electrical energy from your car, produced by burning fuel which is not 100% efficient so there is a loss. Then use this to do the electrolysis which due to the wires having a resistance is not 100% efficient. Use the gases produced to supplement the petrol in the car. But because of all the loses you have burnt more fuel to produce the hydrogen then you'd get back. Overall a net loss.


If it worked the big car companies would have them fitted as standard.

[dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by thehappychappy

7 Litre stage
EAN50
Long hose (steal from a DIR bloke)
put the output from the long hos into the airfilter box
put the cylinder with first stage on the passenger seat feed the hose through the bulkhead.
drive and when you need your car to burn more effeicntly just open the cylinder.

Hey presto instant horespower....




P.S. ok own up who has tried this already? Digs?

and possibly almost instant meltdown of the engine as the engine management system thinks what the Feck. Or even just a spectacular back fart as the engine dies as the mixture of fuel air is not correct

Nitrous injection systems are set up for each individual car and mix the fuel and the oxygen to the correct ratio for the boost before it gets near a manifold.

or so the man who fitted the one to the Top Gear Jag said.

[Timbo]

Hmmmm,,,
Thought it might be worth a go at £125 on my old banger,,
Seems like a well put together package and I suppose if we don't try alternatives ,the fuel companies will always have things their own way..
Googling the subject seems to bring up plenty on the subject and okay there is some wacky claims but there also are some big industrials investing a lot of effort on the technology..

[stevechesh]

Originally Posted by Luddite

Oh its a big scam. If it was that simple to make fuel by splitting water we would all be doing it. In the real world the energy needed to split the hydrogen oxygen bond is greater then the amount of energy you get from burning it. This is due to little things like no electrical conductor is 100% efficient. No engine is 100% efficient too. So you loose energy as heat light and sound.

So the idea of this thing is it take electrical energy from your car, produced by burning fuel which is not 100% efficient so there is a loss. Then use this to do the electrolysis which due to the wires having a resistance is not 100% efficient. Use the gases produced to supplement the petrol in the car. But because of all the loses you have burnt more fuel to produce the hydrogen then you'd get back. Overall a net loss.


If it worked the big car companies would have them fitted as standard.

It's not exactly a scam but i know nothing about this particular company, however, the technology is available and it's available now....Most of the major car manufacturers are testing hydrogen powered cars....an example is here.... BMW World - BMW Hydrogen Cars

The US Government are also testing hydrogen fuel cell cars...
NDM Article - Army Scrutinizing Stealthy, Clean Vehicle

There is also a company in Weymouth that have trialled this type of fuel cell. The making of hydrogen is fairly simple. The more basic designs are extremely inefficient, as has been previously stated. But, there are more efficient systems out there. I have the plans (in pdf format) on how to convert an engine to run on hydrogen, but one of the main problems is that you can't really store large volumes of the gas. The engine timing has to be heavily adjusted as hydrogen burns at about 1000 hotter and faster than normal petrol vapour. The other major problem is long term corrosion in the engine.

I will get the plans from my 'puter in work if anyone wants them!

A google search uncovers a lot of information, but beware. There is also a lot of rubbish out there.....

regards

Steve

[MixedUp]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Anyone experience of this system/ technology for their motors ??

See here for info on hydrogen cells.

Hydrogen Valley Cluster

Steve