Even Woz and Janos would struggle with this much pig

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by Lou

... a small but very evil and vicious pony. ....

Lou TBH I'm all for shooting ponies. Dangerous bloody things they are. A piss poor equipment substitute for shit buddy skills and chicken shit divers scared of a free flow.

What I didn't understand was how the horse came to die with its pyjamas on?

Chris

[Lou]

Originally Posted by chrisch

Lou TBH I'm all for shooting ponies. Dangerous bloody things they are. A piss poor equipment substitute for shit buddy skills and chicken shit divers scared of a free flow.

What I didn't understand was how the horse came to die with its pyjamas on?

Chris

Maybe it wasn't a pony...maybe it was stage-d.

Boom-tsh

[Janos]

[SOUTH PARK MODE]
It's coming right for us!
[/SOUTH PARK MODE]

[Carlb]

Originally Posted by PeeBee

I'm guessing that you also aligned yourself with our fearless leader Blair when he made a similar comment about a 15 year old girl who had just won gold for England at the Olympics. I started shooting when I was 11, have now been shooting safely for 40 years and if either of my kids wanted to learn i would happily teach them and make sure thay are safe. The ethics ofr shooting are no different to taking lobbies, crabs etc when we dive, some are for it, some aren't. Vive la difference! I'd add that I have been wild boar hunting and it's a scary game.

Hmm... Just to show how wrong you can be I am 49 and have been an active archer since I was knee high to a grasshopper, until a year or two ago, when a shoulder injury made me pack it in. I can count as my personal friends olympic archers and world champion field archers, and these have only managed to acheive their sucess by starting at an early age and showing a lot of dedication. I don't have a problem at all with youngsters being taught weapon sports in the correct manner and hopefully they will learn to appreciate and respect the capabilities of their chosen weapon. The clubs I was involved with actively encouraged youngsters and promoted archery as a family sport, and I have no hesitation in recommending it myself. I still arrange archery have a go nights for my dive club that usually go down well.
However I think it is fair to say that the good ol' US of A does have a history of problems with youngsters and gun crime that does not exist to the same extent in this country, and I feel that this article exposes the different culture that exists over there, where an 11yo killing something with a high powered hand gun is something to be celebrated.

[PeeBee]

Carl

You are absolutely right and I have little time for the US attitude to guns in general. Equally though, I have little time for the anti gun kneejerk reactions that I see so often in this country. Far too many people want to pretend that the clingfilm and polystyrene wrapped lamb, beef, chicken etc that they eat wasn't a warm animal a short while earlier and are happy to delegate the task of killing and preparing the meat to someone else.

The fact is that Hungerford and Dunblane were tragic exceptions and legally held guns in this country have never been a major factor in crime statistics. I also had issues with the number of times the poor beast had to be shot by the kid, a hunters obligations are to be safe and to be humane, anything shot should be killed as humanely as possible.

I recognise that there are all sorts of ethical and moral questions tied up in this but IMO, unless they are vegan then a large number of the people who raise their hands in horror are hipocryts.

[dave archer]

Originally Posted by PeeBee

I recognise that there are all sorts of ethical and moral questions tied up in this but IMO, unless they are vegan then a large number of the people who raise their hands in horror are hipocryts.

I'm not vegan, I do have a problem with what this kid did, but I'm not a hypocrite.

I know the aminal products I eat have caused some amount of sufferring to the animals. I try to minimise it to a degree, free range organic eggs and meat where possible etc, but fact remains some suffering goes into the food I eat. The key difference is I am not proud of it, I don't celebrate it, and I take some small steps to minimise it.

This kid wounded the boar and chased it through the woods for hours before finally putting it out of it's misery. That IMO is a lot more suffering than the free range organic chicken I ate last week. And the crucial difference is the kid enjoyed it, got a kick out of it, and is congratulated and celebrated for having done it. THAT is the big difference and the big problem I have with this case.

HUMANE hunting which results in the animal being eaten I have no issue with. This was not humane.

My 2p.

Dave.

[PeeBee]

Dave you are quoting me selectively, I agree with you and have a real problem with how the poor animal was killed.

[dave archer]

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Dave you are quoting me selectively, I agree with you and have a real problem with how the poor animal was killed.

Ah, sorry. Wasn't meaning to have a pop at you at all PeeBee, I just wanted to clarify how I can be a meat eater and still hate the celebration of cruel treatment of animals.

Tend to agree with you on the legal gun ban too. Looks like we're in Violent Agreement - good job we're not armed

Dave.

[Carlb]

Group hug then ?

[PeeBee]

back at ya, lol