Low emission zone

[Sparky]

Does anybody know anything about this low emission zone that is coming into force sometime in february? theres signs up everywhere down here and no-one seems to know anything about it.

[tiggerbiker]

yeah, i saw the signs going up on the roads into harrow the other week, someone told me that lorrys over 12 tonnes will be charged £250 to enter the zone?? not sure how true that is though

[mala]

its true.
up north we are giving the drivers £250.00 to drive down to you.

[Big Kahuna]

It is to do with reducing the emissions of PM10 (small particles) NoX (oxides of nitrogen) & CO2 from (primarily) delivery vehicles travelling into central London. Delivery trucks & vans will need to meet Euro iii emmissions to enter the zone or get charged a horrendous amount to do so form Feb and work up to euro iv/v in 2012. Basically Red Ken does not want diesel vehicles in central London

We have had a nightmare at work moving around 12tonne gas mini bulkers to make sure we don't get hit for £75 per day!

See TFL link below for more detail

Low Emission Zone | Transport for London

[Sparky]

So whats it for? if they are trying to get high emission vehicles out of these areas then they're going to have to charge buses as well, as they're worse than some lorries!

[Sparky]

Originally Posted by Big Kahuna

It is to do with reducing the emissions of PM10 (small particles) NoX (oxides of nitrogen) & CO2 from (primarily) delivery vehicles travelling into central London. Delivery trucks & vans will need to meet Euro iii emmissions to enter the zone or get charged a horrendous amount to do so form Feb and work up to euro iv/v in 2012. Basically Red Ken does not want diesel vehicles in central London

We have had a nightmare at work moving around 12tonne gas mini bulkers to make sure we don't get hit for £75 per day!

See TFL link below for more detail

Low Emission Zone | Transport for London

My company is going to love this as they operate diesel vans. Is there a certain weight limit that gets away with it?

Just had a look at the link, vans come in in 2010 so I'll probably have a new van by then, here's hoping!!

[Big Kahuna]

Originally Posted by Sparky

My company is going to love this as they operate diesel vans. Is there a certain weight limit that gets away with it?

Pretty much anything above the size of a car derived van (under 1.205 tonne unladedn weight). Depends what you are running and doing but newer Euro iv & v diesels should be exempt. Other option to consider is LPG - and a number of manufacturer list oprion dealer conversions are available- Transit, citroen & Renault vans. (I am involved in the industry and involved in the lobbying so need to be careful what I say in open ). If any one wants more details PM me a email address/work tele number and I will get in touch with some ideas.

Chris

[dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by Sparky

So whats it for? if they are trying to get high emission vehicles out of these areas then they're going to have to charge buses as well, as they're worse than some lorries!

but they comply with Euro 4 ( alledgedly).

its mainly to ban the heavy polluting 20 year old million miles on the clock lorries.

the stupidest thing is that part of the LE zone is the route to the woolwich ferry along the north circular, so now tfl are forcing older lorries to use dartford crossing. wonder how much tfl get as a kickback for that one.

and the LPG idea is a load of old cack. there isn't that many places in london to fillup, theres barely enough capacity as it is, maybe if people do start going lPG the price might come down to a more reasonably sensible level.

[Big Kahuna]

Originally Posted by dry suit diver

but they comply with Euro 4 ( alledgedly).

there isn't that many places in london to fillup, theres barely enough capacity as it is, maybe if people do start going lPG the price might come down to a more reasonably sensible level.

Over 50 forecourts within greater london retail LPG. 5 in or around the LEZ. Natioanlly over 1250 sites nationwide - more than 10% of the total UK forecourt network.

The current unleaded national average price is 104.4 whilst the national average LPG price is 53.3 - nearly bang on half price - resulting in an effective saving of around 37% per annum on fuel bills for me currently - bear in mind I do approx 40,000 miles per annum - not something to be sniffed at.

Price is linked directly to the cost of oil - which is at an all time high. You need to look at the cost of petrol & diesel when judging price of LPG.

[Richard Mason]

Originally Posted by Big Kahuna

Over 50 forecourts within greater london retail LPG. 5 in or around the LEZ. Natioanlly over 1250 sites nationwide - more than 10% of the total UK forecourt network.

That's interesting, I'd say it would have to be close to 75% of the urban sites here and 3500 out of 8000 stations, pretty high proportion bearing in mind we are only 1/3 the UK population. Always been popular here, as the large 6 cylinder sedans such as Ford Falcons & Holden Commodore (a widened Vauxhall Carlton) don't come with diesel engines at all, so pretty well all taxis are LPG. Basically the transport authorities won't licence a vehicle as a taxi unless it is the minimum size as above.

What are you paying for an LPG conversion over there? Here, it's about $3000 but the Federal Govt gives a rebate of $2000, so in most cases, the conversion pays for itself in under a year.

Lead Free (91 Octane) here is about $1.40 (63p) at the moment but LPG is only $0.68 (30p) a litre, so it's a real saver. I saw 10% Ethanol petrol for the first time this week, it's about 3c a litre cheaper than the 91 Octane and they claim you get more oomph out of it and that it's cleaner burning.

Diesels have never been popular in cars here, you only find them in European imports and that's only recent as until a short time ago, the diesel fuel was shocking stuff, chock full of Sulphur and couldn't be used in modern high performance units.