Proposal for Change to YD

[tom]

Originally Posted by Howard Payne

Apparently "We have to spread some reputation around before giving it to that deep air diving inverted uber stroke Steve S again"

How sub optimal

He's never going to see in letters that small!

[Luddite]

Originally Posted by Scubee

As Phill said a few posts ago, GUE, PADI, BSAC, TDI are agencies, DIR is a style of diving.

So... to even it up, we should have a Stroke forum, in which we can debate various strokey styles of diving. All threads must be started off... I am not a stroke, but...

DIR and GUE a rose by any other name.
But for arguments sake it is a style of diving. Then isn't PADI's dive today a style of diving too and I don't see a section for that. I am sure BSAC and the other agencies have a name for their style but were is there forum.

DIR fundamentals is the instructor a fundamentalist? Sometimes is seem to be getting that way. Almost a dive our way or die message. I am not against DIR per say or any other training agency oh sorry that should be GUE. It does seem to be taking over the board a lot more since when I started posting. Maybe its because its shiny and new to people and they want to know more, that other divers are not as vocal or maybe because other divers are a not posting because they think they will get shot down in flames by DIR/GUE divers.

Just some more thoughts on the subject

[hilrosepaul]

Speaking as a 'newly' qualified diver and definite 'stroke'; I think the DIR philosophy has a great deal of good to offer. Things like the importance of the team, buoyancy control, certain standards in equipment and its configuration all make sense.

What I don't appreciate (and I know I'm not alone in this) is the 'them and us mentality; and the attitude that DIR training is the answer to all diving ills; starting with DIR-F.

By all means keep the DIR sub-forum. There is no need for individual agency forums; and there are always the 'I learned about diving from that' and DIFF sub fora for us strokes.

my 2p

[Odin]

Originally Posted by hilrosepaul

Speaking as a 'newly' qualified diver and definite 'stroke'; I think the DIR philosophy has a great deal of good to offer. Things like the importance of the team, buoyancy control, certain standards in equipment and its configuration all make sense.

A team is required to make a branch dive run smoothly. I dive in a team of two.... usually

Buoyancy control is taught in all agencies. CCR divers have to learn it twice!

Standards in equipment - Cylinder(s) BC/wing/DV, freedom of thought?

Configuration - taught in my BSAC branch (I hate danglies!)

So not unique to any particular agency.

[neilh]

Originally Posted by Okeanos

So GUE/DIR don't teach people to dive? What do they do then?

GUE teach people the DIR system/methodology. GUE is an agency that teaches DIR, but is not the only one (although there aren't many others .

Originally Posted by Luddite

Then isn't PADI's dive today a style of diving too and I don't see a section for that. I am sure BSAC and the other agencies have a name for their style but were is there forum.

If PADI or BSAC taught a particular style of diving that had a name then I'd see no reason not to support a sub-forum in the same way that we have the DIR one. However I'm not aware that they do. They teach "diving" and we have the various diving forums on here that fit into that.

If there was a request for PADI, BSAC, TDI, IANTD specific forums to be able to discuss agency specific topics then I'm sure that would be considered, but there doesn't seem to be a big demand for that.

To be honest I'm not particularly fussed either way. DIRx provides somewhere that is entirely DIR-focussed and YD provides a broader diving view for me. I'm happy to point out where my responses are specifically based on the DIR approach and people are free to decide whether it makes sense to them or not.

And just because I've missed his saying: It's all bollox anyway

[nickb]

I'd just like to put it on record that I have no opinion, one way or the other, on this subject.

[Scubee]

Originally Posted by nickb

I'd just like to put it on record that I have no opinion, one way or the other, on this subject.

Unlike everyone else, who all seem to have the same opinion, but still manage to have a row about it

[Dave Crampton]

I don't have time to read throught hundreds of posts on this, as well as all the off shoots where people loose track..... .. where was I??

Has any decision been made yet???

[Buoyant Babe]

Originally Posted by Dave Crampton

Has any decision been made yet???

Yes, I've opted for savoury rice instead of soup for lunch.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by Buoyant Babe

Yes, I've opted for savoury rice instead of soup for lunch.

Can someone move this post to the 'Catering' sub-forum please? Gary's the moderator there