Setting the records straight....

[hogen-deifar]

I'll probably regret this, but I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm going to let Mal OR Fiona take the flak that something I did.

I requested that the "Thanks Jules" thread be removed.

For those who knew nothing of what was going on, I'll start at the beginning. Most now know that when I was 32 & 35 I underwent surgery to have total knee replacements on both legs. It's not normally done in people young, because they only have a life span of about 10-15 years. However, I was on the verge of bein wheelchair bound, and my arthritis was so severe TKR was the only option! It transformed my life - not melodrama, the truth, and me power walking a full marathon in 7 hours confirms that.

Fiona has bad knees and "may" have to have the same op. She asked for advice and I've been talking her through it. It's a truly horrible and painful op but it's worth the 6 months of crap. I then offered to help Fiona's recovery by having her come stay here for a month so that she wasn't home alone. It's an emotional rollercoaster having this op early and I wanted to be able to help in a number of ways.

She declined my offer but wanted to thank me, so she posted a little thanks. The details weren't necessary. Some accepted the thread, others wanted to know the details and didn't see the point. Personally, I feel it's an internet forum and freedom of speech. Then someone posted something that kinda could've been taken out of context, so I had a PM conversation with that person and the post was duly amended.

But the thread went into decline and because I'm a soppy stoopid sensitive woman I didn't like it and it upset me. NONE of the derogatory comments were about me, but my name was in the title thread and I didn't want to be personally attached to such a heated debate.

I PMd Mal and asked if he could remove it, and he duly did. So another post was started saying the T'Internet Police have removed it because THEY didn't like what was being said. I'd asked Mal NOT to divulge who'd asked for the thread to remove and fair play, he didn't, and in fact took the hit from some directly, which he didn't have to do. As well as Fiona getting her fair share of the blame.

And THAT is why I'm writing this now. Please, please don't blame Fiona or Mal. It was me who asked for it to be removed.

I apologise. I know you all like a heated debate on a Friday, and no doubt this post will create a few reds in my direction. I'm sorry. I meant no harm. I got upset by the original thread and took the coward's way out. I'm not much cop at being in the limelight like this, preferring to be a backseat heckler.

So, Fiona, I'm sorry my deleting the thread got you some grief.

Mal, I'm sorry you had to take the hit for something I asked for.

And to the debate team, I'm sorry for ruining your Friday night fun.

I truly meant no harm. I just wanted to help a fellow diver who's going to have a rough time of it over the next few months and there's not many on here who've had knee replacements, so I thought I may be able to help.

I'll get me coat now..........

[Prometheus]

Wondered why my compass went haywire near you.Bionic hogie.

[tom]

Nobody will care in the morning.
Well done on offering your help and advice.

[Sparky750]

Originally Posted by hogen-deifar

I'll probably regret this, but I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm going to let Mal OR Fiona take the flak that something I did.

I requested that the "Thanks Jules" thread be removed.

For those who knew nothing of what was going on, I'll start at the beginning. Most now know that when I was 32 & 35 I underwent surgery to have total knee replacements on both legs. It's not normally done in people young, because they only have a life span of about 10-15 years. However, I was on the verge of bein wheelchair bound, and my arthritis was so severe TKR was the only option! It transformed my life - not melodrama, the truth, and me power walking a full marathon in 7 hours confirms that.

Fiona has bad knees and "may" have to have the same op. She asked for advice and I've been talking her through it. It's a truly horrible and painful op but it's worth the 6 months of crap. I then offered to help Fiona's recovery by having her come stay here for a month so that she wasn't home alone. It's an emotional rollercoaster having this op early and I wanted to be able to help in a number of ways.

She declined my offer but wanted to thank me, so she posted a little thanks. The details weren't necessary. Some accepted the thread, others wanted to know the details and didn't see the point. Personally, I feel it's an internet forum and freedom of speech. Then someone posted something that kinda could've been taken out of context, so I had a PM conversation with that person and the post was duly amended.

But the thread went into decline and because I'm a soppy stoopid sensitive woman I didn't like it and it upset me. NONE of the derogatory comments were about me, but my name was in the title thread and I didn't want to be personally attached to such a heated debate.

I PMd Mal and asked if he could remove it, and he duly did. So another post was started saying the T'Internet Police have removed it because THEY didn't like what was being said. I'd asked Mal NOT to divulge who'd asked for the thread to remove and fair play, he didn't, and in fact took the hit from some directly, which he didn't have to do. As well as Fiona getting her fair share of the blame.

And THAT is why I'm writing this now. Please, please don't blame Fiona or Mal. It was me who asked for it to be removed.

I apologise. I know you all like a heated debate on a Friday, and no doubt this post will create a few reds in my direction. I'm sorry. I meant no harm. I got upset by the original thread and took the coward's way out. I'm not much cop at being in the limelight like this, preferring to be a backseat heckler.

So, Fiona, I'm sorry my deleting the thread got you some grief.

Mal, I'm sorry you had to take the hit for something I asked for.

And to the debate team, I'm sorry for ruining your Friday night fun.

I truly meant no harm. I just wanted to help a fellow diver who's going to have a rough time of it over the next few months and there's not many on here who've had knee replacements, so I thought I may be able to help.

I'll get me coat now..........

My thread was tongue firmly in cheek as it said i was just extracting the urine as i expect people to do to me on occasion (i think i get someone else's share though ) please don't take anything i post too seriously i know feck all

[essexbloke]

Originally Posted by hogen-deifar

I'll probably regret this, but I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm going to let Mal OR Fiona take the flak that something I did.

I requested that the "Thanks Jules" thread be removed.

For those who knew nothing of what was going on, I'll start at the beginning. Most now know that when I was 32 & 35 I underwent surgery to have total knee replacements on both legs. It's not normally done in people young, because they only have a life span of about 10-15 years. However, I was on the verge of bein wheelchair bound, and my arthritis was so severe TKR was the only option! It transformed my life - not melodrama, the truth, and me power walking a full marathon in 7 hours confirms that.

Fiona has bad knees and "may" have to have the same op. She asked for advice and I've been talking her through it. It's a truly horrible and painful op but it's worth the 6 months of crap. I then offered to help Fiona's recovery by having her come stay here for a month so that she wasn't home alone. It's an emotional rollercoaster having this op early and I wanted to be able to help in a number of ways.

She declined my offer but wanted to thank me, so she posted a little thanks. The details weren't necessary. Some accepted the thread, others wanted to know the details and didn't see the point. Personally, I feel it's an internet forum and freedom of speech. Then someone posted something that kinda could've been taken out of context, so I had a PM conversation with that person and the post was duly amended.

But the thread went into decline and because I'm a soppy stoopid sensitive woman I didn't like it and it upset me. NONE of the derogatory comments were about me, but my name was in the title thread and I didn't want to be personally attached to such a heated debate.

I PMd Mal and asked if he could remove it, and he duly did. So another post was started saying the T'Internet Police have removed it because THEY didn't like what was being said. I'd asked Mal NOT to divulge who'd asked for the thread to remove and fair play, he didn't, and in fact took the hit from some directly, which he didn't have to do. As well as Fiona getting her fair share of the blame.

And THAT is why I'm writing this now. Please, please don't blame Fiona or Mal. It was me who asked for it to be removed.

I apologise. I know you all like a heated debate on a Friday, and no doubt this post will create a few reds in my direction. I'm sorry. I meant no harm. I got upset by the original thread and took the coward's way out. I'm not much cop at being in the limelight like this, preferring to be a backseat heckler.

So, Fiona, I'm sorry my deleting the thread got you some grief.

Mal, I'm sorry you had to take the hit for something I asked for.

And to the debate team, I'm sorry for ruining your Friday night fun.

I truly meant no harm. I just wanted to help a fellow diver who's going to have a rough time of it over the next few months and there's not many on here who've had knee replacements, so I thought I may be able to help.

I'll get me coat now..........

tut, huff, well done, and you bitch, sorry!
well thats my view.

[steveharriss]

You wrote: "Personally, I feel it's an internet forum and freedom of speech." and then request the thread removal because you didn't like the way it was going?

I didn't read the thread but it's hard to justify the action when you claim to believe in freedom of speech.

That's my opinion.

However, well done for explaining what happened and 'protecting' the innocent.

I do think that Mal was wrong to accede to your request though.

[DIVE BUDDHA]

Thanks for the clarification about why the thread dissapeared!


no real point in debating it any longer as it will only get deleted again !!

[hogen-deifar]

Originally Posted by hogen-deifar

She declined my offer but wanted to thank me, so she posted a little thanks. The details weren't necessary. Some accepted the thread, others wanted to know the details and didn't see the point. Personally, I feel it's an internet forum and freedom of speech. Then someone posted something that kinda could've been taken out of context, so I had a PM conversation with that person and the post was duly amended.

But the thread went into decline and because I'm a soppy stoopid sensitive woman I didn't like it and it upset me. NONE of the derogatory comments were about me, but my name was in the title thread and I didn't want to be personally attached to such a heated debate.

Originally Posted by steveharriss

You wrote: "Personally, I feel it's an internet forum and freedom of speech." and then request the thread removal because you didn't like the way it was going?

I didn't read the thread but it's hard to justify the action when you claim to believe in freedom of speech.

That's my opinion.

However, well done for explaining what happened and 'protecting' the innocent.

I do think that Mal was wrong to accede to your request though.

I hear what you're saying and yes I did say about freedom of speech. But not to the detriment of an individual or two. There's another post, about Policing YD that was started after the thread was deleted. Jay wrote this:-

Ok - in the interests of making a few points clear:

Persistent 'baiting' of someone on the forums is tantamount to bullying and will not be tolerated in any shape or form. Persistent offenders will be removed from the forums. This is quite clear in our terms and conditions.

Moderators and administrators are entitled, and indeed expected, to act to remove offending threads when requested should there be clear grounds to do so. No apologies will be offered and no explanations forthcoming when this happens.

People are entitled to use the forums without fear of bullying or accusations of conspiring to cover up - our moderator team do an invaluable job in their own time for free and this should be respected.

If people feel the need to get their kicks from bullying other members then perhaps YD isn't the place for them.

Thread closed.

Now I had nothing to do with that. I agree that people have a right to an opinion but when it becomes nothing more than a slagging off session of a YDer and that slagging off was indirectly because of help I offered that YDer then I think it's justified to delete the thread.

And clearly, Jay, who owns YD, agrees.

IMHO, of course.

[Steve S]

Originally Posted by steveharriss

I do think that Mal was wrong to accede to your request though.

Hi Steve,

FTR knowing what I know now I would have taken the same action as Mal, I had loads of hassle when I deleted a similar thread a while back, the fact of the matter is when a post/thread is reported, which this was in addition to HD's request, we have to make a decision based on gut instinct, and it appears we are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.

Deletions are not taken lightly by any of us, and are done only if there is no other course of action.

Safe diving,
Steve

[Sparky750]

Originally Posted by hogen-deifar

I hear what you're saying and yes I did say about freedom of speech. But not to the detriment of an individual or two. There's another post, about Policing YD that was started after the thread was deleted. Jay wrote this:-

Ok - in the interests of making a few points clear:

Persistent 'baiting' of someone on the forums is tantamount to bullying and will not be tolerated in any shape or form. Persistent offenders will be removed from the forums. This is quite clear in our terms and conditions.

Moderators and administrators are entitled, and indeed expected, to act to remove offending threads when requested should there be clear grounds to do so. No apologies will be offered and no explanations forthcoming when this happens.

People are entitled to use the forums without fear of bullying or accusations of conspiring to cover up - our moderator team do an invaluable job in their own time for free and this should be respected.

If people feel the need to get their kicks from bullying other members then perhaps YD isn't the place for them.

Thread closed.

Now I had nothing to do with that. I agree that people have a right to an opinion but when it becomes nothing more than a slagging off session of a YDer and that slagging off was indirectly because of help I offered that YDer then I think it's justified to delete the thread.

And clearly, Jay, who owns YD, agrees.

IMHO, of course.

Sorry i don't think that thread was a "slagging off session" it was banter and a little bit of own medicine, for a person who is quick enough to do it to anyone else for similar reasons. The cover up alluded to was a joke as explained to mal, i couldn't care less which mod deleted the other post they're just doing a job.