We are not alone..

[SoggyFox]

i think how can there not be life on other planets, how can there not be sentient life and how can there not be space faring species. Whether or not we'll ever be visited is another matter. I for one wouldn't bother knocking on the door, if you had a look at the transmissions to space and studied what we've been doing for the last 50 years your more than likely to turn round and wait a while longer to see if we survive and grow up.

I think it monumentally arrogant to assume we're the pinacle of evolution or creation, if your that way inclined. Look at what we as a species are doing to ourselves with wars over religion and commerce. Its a crying shame as i believe the human race is capable of some amazing progress but first of all we need to take our heads out of arses and realise that we are one world.

finally if a race was to actually arrive its more than likely we, as a planet, would suddenlly find ourselves invaded and subjugated and theres not a damn thing we could do about it apart from nuke ourselves, which is evidently pointless as an act of defence.

so party while you can, cos come the day 'they' arrive, we're toast.

[MATTBIN]

Originally Posted by SoggyFox

i think how can there not be life on other planets, how can there not be sentient life and how can there not be space faring species. Whether or not we'll ever be visited is another matter. I for one wouldn't bother knocking on the door, if you had a look at the transmissions to space and studied what we've been doing for the last 50 years your more than likely to turn round and wait a while longer to see if we survive and grow up.

I think it monumentally arrogant to assume we're the pinacle of evolution or creation, if your that way inclined. Look at what we as a species are doing to ourselves with wars over religion and commerce. Its a crying shame as i believe the human race is capable of some amazing progress but first of all we need to take our heads out of arses and realise that we are one world.

finally if a race was to actually arrive its more than likely we, as a planet, would suddenlly find ourselves invaded and subjugated and theres not a damn thing we could do about it apart from nuke ourselves, which is evidently pointless as an act of defence.

so party while you can, cos come the day 'they' arrive, we're toast.

According to a Bill Bryson's book, the nearest star that "might" support life means any observation of us is likely to have been when we were very much younger, they wouldnt have as yet seen us during the last 50years. SO assuming he's right we would be very un-interesting, they certainly wouldnt be aware of our Moon landings, therefore as yet to them unable to take part in space travel i.e. no threat, unless of course they had the ability to corelate where were going based on our evolution of say 200 years ago. That would be our nearest possible neighbour, liklihood is they arent actually there but some place much further out, thereby meaning they would probably not know that life exists on our planet, in any form. The chances of us being visited are very small indeed.
When you look at all the things that have happened to our planet to bring us to this point we call intelligent life I doubt very much if any other planet has gone through the same or similar sequence of events, therefore in my view its extremely unlikely there is any other life form out there that is 'intelligent'.
Our planet has been around for a long time (in our terms), in terms of a 24 hr clock representing the time planet Earth has been around we (man) represent I think its 30 seconds odd and only a very small portion of that is Homo Sapien (Literally 'thinking man"). I have little doubt another planet will or may have gone through what we have and will create 'intelligent' life or has done so in the distant past, I doubt very much we will be around to witness it if and when it happnes elsewhere.

According to our understandin of the planets past history, the more 'intelligent' or advanced a life form, the quicker it goes into extinction and "we" by all accounts are well overdue to join the other 95% of our planets extinct life forms.

Matt

[SoggyFox]

Originally Posted by MATTBIN

According to a Bill Bryson's book, the nearest star that "might" support life means any observation of us is likely to have been when we were very much younger, they wouldnt have as yet seen us during the last 50years.

but 10 years ago we were only loosely speculating about there being planets around other stars, now we theoretically 'know' from wobble that there are and i understand theres now telescope evidence of one planet. The only planets that are being found are at this time super planets of many times the size of earth and i believe they can't determine orbits yet, it only needs a planet to be in the right corridor of orbits around its sun for it to have the conditions to start life.

what will we know in another 10,20 or 50 years time?

[MATTBIN]

Originally Posted by SoggyFox

but 10 years ago we were only loosely speculating about there being planets around other stars, now we theoretically 'know' from wobble that there are and i understand theres now telescope evidence of one planet. The only planets that are being found are at this time super planets of many times the size of earth and i believe they can't determine orbits yet, it only needs a planet to be in the right corridor of orbits around its sun for it to have the conditions to start life.

what will we know in another 10,20 or 50 years time?

As far as 50 years time is concerned I'm pretty certain I'll know bugger all, I'll have joined the 95% bunch

I have no doubt there may have been or there will be 'life' on another planet, I just think that the chances of another planet having evolved to reach the same point we have at this time is extremely unlikely. Planet Earth took one Hell of a long time to create us, we are here for a blink of an eye, what are the chances of that being replicated to have 'their' creation co-incide with ours?

Matt

[Finless]

Of course there are aliens! Why else would I go to sleep with a cork shoved up my arse every night? Poxy bottom probing aliens!

[SoggyFox]

Originally Posted by MATTBIN

I have no doubt there may have been or there will be 'life' on another planet, I just think that the chances of another planet having evolved to reach the same point we have at this time is extremely unlikely. Planet Earth took one Hell of a long time to create us, we are here for a blink of an eye, what are the chances of that being replicated to have 'their' creation co-incide with ours?

sci-fi geek moment - many of the new breed of sci-fi writers buy into this idea now, many of the upto date books centre around finding artifacts of ancient civilisations but never the actual inhabitants.

i also like the idea that we're a ferrule world left alone in some big experiment by other civilisations and they watch us like a galactic version of big brother

[Jay_Benson]

Originally Posted by SoggyFox

sci-fi geek moment - many of the new breed of sci-fi writers buy into this idea now, many of the upto date books centre around finding artifacts of ancient civilisations but never the actual inhabitants.

i also like the idea that we're a ferrule world left alone in some big experiment by other civilisations and they watch us like a galactic version of big brother

Can we vote George Bush and Tony Bliar off? Please?

They must be wetting themselves when they see Finless.

[copperband]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

The universe is definitely NOT infinite, at least not with current thinking. It has an age, and telescopes can now look "back in time" to nearly that age. Beyond that there can't logically be anything. So, essentially, you just use the picture above, extrapolate a little, and start counting. That gives you a figure around 100 billion, or something at the same order of magnitude.

I can 'logically' conceive that the universe started at a point in time, but I cannot figure out how there "can't logically be anything" beyond. I mean, is it just a void? There has to be something, even if that means nothing if you see what I mean, errrrm, empty space. Then what if there was another 'big bang' and that to is expanding but has yet to 'meet' what we have come to understand as our 'age'? And as for the start, what was there before? Again, empty space? I believe there is life somewhere else other than Earth, be that in all what we can see through deep space telescopic images or beyond what we comprehend and understand. Oh and I wish they'd fookin hurry up and get here

[LiamS]

the odds are forever increasing that we might ever be visited by aliens due to the fact that the univers is forever expanding (for them lot down south "gettin bigger") which we know by observing the red shift (the electromagnetic septrum "shifting" towards the "red end") altough i still stick by my ealier comment about grains of sand in everest therom

Originally Posted by copperband

I can 'logically' conceive that the universe started at a point in time, but I cannot figure out how there "can't logically be anything" beyond. I mean, is it just a void? There has to be something, even if that means nothing if you see what I mean, errrrm, empty space. Then what if there was another 'big bang' and that to is expanding but has yet to 'meet' what we have come to understand as our 'age'? And as for the start, what was there before? Again, empty space? I believe there is life somewhere else other than Earth, be that in all what we can see through deep space telescopic images or beyond what we comprehend and understand. Oh and I wish they'd fookin hurry up and get here

we could just be expanding into a black hole that surrounds the entire univers... eventualy when earth gets there our sun will have (hopefully)
burnt up



i bet you'd never guess that i took science physics as a gsce would ya ???


cheers

[copperband]

Originally Posted by me!

the odds are forever increasing that we might ever be visited by aliens due to the fact that the univers is forever expanding (for them lot down south "gettin bigger") which we know by observing the red shift (the electromagnetic septrum "shifting" towards the "red end") altough i still stick by my ealier comment about grains of sand in everest therom





we could just be expanding into a black hole that surrounds the entire univers... eventualy when earth gets there our sun will have (hopefully)
burnt up



i bet you'd never guess that i took science physics as a gsce would ya ???


cheers

And the other side of the Black hole? If they exist that is