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Old 07-04-04, 01:39 AM
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People! I can not believe that we let the 10th anniversary of Kurt Cobain kindly doing the world a favour by putting a shotgun in his mouth and 'offing' himself go by with out so much as a good-bye-your-leave!

What's the world coming to when wasters like this drug-addled twat (sorry, should have used the a la mode Diana-esque psychobabble: 'Complicated' and 'Troubled', 'Author of Anthems for a Doomed Youth', 'Voice of a Generation' blah-blah-blah-bollox) don't get a mention on the anniversary of their 'use by date'?!

I'm shocked!
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Yes, a sad state of affairs indeed.  

However, sadder still is the fact that if I had kept my ticket for his concert it would fetch around 1500 quid on e-bay at the moment!!!!!!
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THey've been making a big deal out of it on the radio, otherwise I wouldn't have remembered.
My POV, One outstanding seminal album then slow drift into irrelevancy and poor choice in women (WTF did he see in courtney Love )
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Quote[/b] (Steve W @ April 07 2004,12:17)]My POV, One outstanding seminal album then slow drift into irrelevancy and poor choice in women (WTF did he see in courtney Love )
Dude,

Courtney Love - If you were that f*cked-up on H, you could have been 'doing it' with a Shetland Pony and not known the difference!

No loss to the gene-pool whatsoever.
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<font color='#000080'>Bren,

I take it he's not your favourite &quot;artist&quot; then??

It was the 30th Anniversary of ABBA's &quot;Waterloo&quot; and the 5th Anniversary of Mamma Mia yesterday....
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Quote[/b] (Bren Tierney @ April 07 2004,01:39)]People! I can not believe that we let the 10th anniversary of Kurt Cobain kindly doing the world a favour by putting a shotgun in his mouth and 'offing' himself go by with out so much as a good-bye-your-leave!
Kurt who? &nbsp;

Thats showbiz for you! &nbsp;
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<font color='#0000FF'>Kurt Cobain - 10 years gone

Alvin Lee - 10 Years After

I know which one I miss most
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Heathens. Nirvana were one of the most creative groups of nineties music and a big influence on some great bands of today. &nbsp;Smells Like Teen Spirit was GREAT !

Incidentally, all ABBA songs should be banned, punishable by hot needles under the fingernails
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And my sister died three years ago yesterday.

Can't believe that it's 30 years ago that Abba won the Eurovision Song Contest - they haven't aged at all have they under all that hair!?!
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Kurt Cobain: self-hating icon of the inarticulate generation
By Sam Leith
(Filed: 10/04/2004)


Ten years ago on Monday, a drug-addicted American 'Grunge' rocker in his late 20s, idolised by teenagers and scarcely heard of by adults, shot himself in the face in the greenhouse above the garage of his home - joining what his mother referred to as &quot;that stupid club&quot;.

It was a club to which Janis Joplin, and Jimi Hendrix, and Jim Morrison, and Karen Carpenter and Sid Vicious already belonged: the young dead rock star club.

Ten years on, the event means little to the majority of the adult British population. But for a huge number of people under 30, and for the generation of teenagers who heard Nirvana the second time around, the anniversary of the death of Kurt Cobain has mattered hugely.

This week, while the ship of state has sailed calmly on, behind the nation's sulkily slammed bedroom doors some serious mourning has been taking place.

Like Shakespeare, Cobain was slightly erratic when it came to the spelling of his own name. Sometimes it was, as it ended up being on the album credits, Kurt Cobain. But in the journals and notebooks and notes, it could be Curt Cobain, or Kurdt Kobain, or any number of variations. &quot;Who am I?&quot; he seems to have wondered. [Bren's edit: like we could give a f*ck!]

The anniversary of Cobain's death has been celebrated with mixed feelings, the perceived commercialisation of his memory angering fans. Kurt and his team were, or at least claimed to be, ambivalent about their commercial success in life.

One of the most popular Nirvana T-shirts announced that the wearer was a &quot;fudge packin', flower sniffin', crack smokin', kitty pettin', Satan worshippin', baby kissin', corporate rock whore&quot;. [Bren's edit: get OFF the fence, dude!]

This week, then, London's most prominent shrine was in the basement of the vast Virgin Megastore on Oxford Street. Tucked in a recess, opposite a display of guitars and amps and mixing boards, there was a big, sad-eyed picture of Kurt, looking pretty and wearing his mascara.

&quot;Kurt Cobain defined a musical generation,&quot; [Bren's edit: sheer hype and marketing BOLLOCKS!!] reads the legend. &quot;In honour of the 10th anniversary of his death, Virgin Megastores and Uncut remember Kurt Cobain and Nirvana. Use the space below to let us know what his life and death meant to you.&quot; [Bren's edit: that should make for a cosy 10 seconds] A number of kids have indeed taken the opportunity to let Richard Branson know what they think. &quot;Nevermind upstairs £9.99,&quot; write the sarcastic. &quot;Crazy prices! You need it like a hole in the head.&quot; Someone has doodled dollar signs over Cobain's pupils.

Under the orbits of his eyes, the hostile have written, respectively, &quot;Muppet&quot; and &quot;Boo hoo. Life is tough.&quot; &quot;Selfish p****&quot; is elsewhere, as is &quot;Sponsored by Coca-Cola and McDonald's&quot;. [Bren's edit: Happy days.]

They love to hate him, which is all right, because he loved to hate himself. [Bren's edit: here we go, more Diana-esque psychobabble] Against a plaint on what-has-Kurt-Cobain-ever-done lines, a defender has written: &quot;Saved guitar music.&quot; Love him, hate him, or a bit of both, it's clear, 10 years on, that his status as an icon is firm. [Bren's edit: depends on your definition of firm]

As Catherine Philps, 15, puts it: &quot;He just made really really good music. And no matter how many times people try, they won't get the same effect. Listening to him, it makes you feel a bit better about yourself.&quot; Most of her friends, she adds, are more into Justin Timberlake; but this week has been &quot;quite significant&quot;. [Bren's edit: alas, Catherine lacks the ability to articulate why?]

So, is the fuss worth it? To the generation for whom a Nirvana song is &quot;just noise&quot;, I'd say: yes, he actually was that good. To explain why your children care about Nirvana, you can only try to describe the way that the music is experienced.

Think of the exhilarated, too-fast, too-panicky drumming patterns of Breed - the rhythm of the heartbeat of a man who, in retrospect, wishes that he'd waited just 15 minutes more for the next line of sulphate, and is now regretting it, and hoping to ride it out, and not quite wanting to let his friends know that he's frightened he's going to suffer an aneurysm.

Think, too, of the circling riff that opens their most famous song, Smells Like Teen Spirit, and of the visceral effect of Cobain's voice, from narcoleptic mumble to raw-throated howl. To say Nirvana were visceral is not to say they were stupid. In their lyrics, and this is what I think distinguishes them, is an intensely articulate expression of inarticulacy. [Bren's edit: FFS! You can't write comedy like this!!!]

&quot;He's the one who likes all the pretty songs, and he likes to sing along, and he likes to shoot his guns, but he knows not what it means,&quot; he taunts on In Bloom. “Here we are now, entertain us,&quot; he sings on Teen Spirit. &quot;I feel stupid, and contagious. A mulatto, an albino, a mosquito, my libido, a denial, a denial, a denial, a denial.&quot; [Bren's edit: yes, I can see Yeats and Pope have some serious competition here]

The words manage to communicate while being only half-rescued from nonsense. &quot;Contagious&quot; both signifies [although precisely what, the journlaist doesn't/can't say], and is the wrong word. The four off-rhymes, in a row, are a brilliantly skewed effort to make sense [of what?]; whose end is the frustrated and angry repetition of &quot;a denial&quot;.

That Cobain was silly, that he was selfish, that he was mired in self-pity, is all true: but that is only to say that his music speaks intensely and meaningfully [says you] to everyone silly, selfish, and mired in self-pity. Which, at least some of the time, is most of us.





So, Virgin building a shrine to this twat was meant to 'honour' his memory....or cash in on a gullable breed of confused and overly 'Diana-ised' bunch of twenty-somethings......? I know where my bet is laid.



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