SCR, is it worth it ?.

[wreckweasel]

Same;

O2 Injection system
Handsets
OC/DSV

Different;

Scrubber architecture (vastly so, its a huge discussion point)
Counterlungs
All the fittings assembly etc

Short answer? The sports KISS is ideal for SPORTS diving (read the limits on the jetsam site). If you want more depth/duration, go for a classic. Note, you will struggle to obtain a full trimix ticket on a unit when the manufacturer has already imposed a recommended limit that is in the normoxic range.

[garygee]

Hi folks

Thanks for all the replies.

Made me look at lots of different aspects many which I had not though of.

In the end the small simple light unit won, almost!.

Gone for the Sumbatrix but the CCR not the SCR.
Time will tell if this is the right choice but looking at all the pros and cons it looks right now.

Ill let you know how I get on.

Thanks again, one more down the slipper slide of rebreathers!!.

Regards Gary

[Garry111]

Hi Gary,

Interesting choice you've got.

I went into it some time ago and test dived a draeger. Had mixed views, then test dived a YBOD (classic). Even though I felt like a bl***y novice again I accepted that certain skills would have to be re-learned. My big concern was monitoring. Neither the YBOD nor the Draeger had the electronics to effectively monitor the units through the dive (unless with the YBOD you also purchased something like the Hammerhead electronics. Cut a long story short I went for the Inspo with the Vision electronics. Did the course end June. Have already clocked up 40 hrs and loving it.

Most of my diving (until I get the 100 hrs) is 30-40. As I am already Nomoxic Trimix I can go straight to CCR mod 3 (which is a possible route to consider).

My advice is to go for the Inspo with Vision electronics. Personally I disagree with what the SCR guys say. The electronics are not that difficult to manage, and with the Heads Up Display with the Vision its fantastic to monitor and enjoy your dive.

My opinion anyway.

Suggest you contact Andy Hayhurst at Dales Divers. He can run a try dive on the unit. After an hour or 2 at Capenray you'll certainly get the gist of it, and for the sake of £100 it'll settle your mind (as you say its a big purchase).

.......... Garry

[Chris Lewis]

Originally Posted by londonsean69

Very tempting, especially as the EDO is just sat gathering dust at the moment, trying to get the right cylinders for it in Lanzarote is a pain.

I just looked at your profile. Do you work at manta in puerto del carmen? I only joined the forums the other day and already it looks like i have dived with one of you lot!!

[rooster]

Hi Gary

Originally Posted by garygee

Gone for the Sumbatrix but the CCR not the SCR.

Regards Gary

I wasn't aware there was a CCR submatix?

I would be very interested to hear how you are getting on with it in any case, as I had a look at these a while back and would be intrigued to hear how it dives.

Regards




Roy

[londonsean69]

Originally Posted by Chris Lewis

I just looked at your profile. Do you work at manta in puerto del carmen? I only joined the forums the other day and already it looks like i have dived with one of you lot!!

Yes I do, sorry, I can´t place the name, what dives did you do with us, and when??

As you will find out, YDérs get everywhere

[jknights]

I've got an Inspiration Classic and a Submatix.

The Inspiration is great but heavy. It gives you everything you want and is a good unit. It's fully automatic but not idiot-proof. Nothing is.!!

The Submatix in SCR mode is very easy to breathe and a much lighter unit. Personally since I do most of my diving in the 20-40m range the fact that I have a fixed mix for SCR is a pain in the b####cks especially as you need to change gas and nozzle.
I am in the process of converting the Submatix from SCR to M-CCR e.g. KISS-like. I will then use the Submatix in either SCR mode or M-CCR. I will then use the unit as my travel abroad unit. No way am I transporting the Inspiration around, it is just too heavy.


Last weekend I dived with a Sport KISS diver and was very impressed with the unit. It is well constructed and of a higher build strength than the Submatix. If I was buying a second unit I would buy a KISS instead of a Submatix if I couldn't afford to buy an Evo or an Inpiration.


A rebreather will be cheaper to run than paying for trimix at £140/weekend but if you are in the diving trimix then I would say that an Inspiration will take you where the Submatix won't go and where the KISS due to its manual controls may seem to be a little more cumbersome to use than the Inspiration.

That's my 2p worth so now itr is your call as to what you buy.
Good luck.

[Chris Lewis]

Originally Posted by londonsean69

Yes I do, sorry, I can´t place the name, what dives did you do with us, and when??

As you will find out, YDérs get everywhere

It was around june. Only did two dives as had to keep the Mrs happy ;-)

First check dive was along the harbour wall and back. about 18M

Second dive wasn't with you but another guy (Was his name nick?) He was a recently qualified DM and it was his first day with manta. We were supposed to do the blue hole but never managed to find it. Still had a good dive though with some mantas and grouper.

That second dive was when you were taking a german couple out and the girl had a panick during her last dive (i think she was pulled under from the surface or something)

[londonsean69]

Originally Posted by Chris Lewis

It was around june. Only did two dives as had to keep the Mrs happy ;-)

First check dive was along the harbour wall and back. about 18M

Second dive wasn't with you but another guy (Was his name nick?) He was a recently qualified DM and it was his first day with manta. We were supposed to do the blue hole but never managed to find it. Still had a good dive though with some mantas and grouper.

That second dive was when you were taking a german couple out and the girl had a panick during her last dive (i think she was pulled under from the surface or something)

Í remember roughly, the german girl wasn´t pulled under, she just didnt know how to use her BCD. She was meant to be on a check dive but it turned into a 2 hour scuba review.

They weren´t mantas you saw, just big atlantic stingrays, still impressive nonetheless

Nick is no longer with us, he got into a row with some morrocans and left, because Jim gave him no sympathy.

Oh the joys of living on a tourist island

[Freeflow]

Originally Posted by garygee

Hi folks

Ok looked at KISS and the Kiss Sport may be an option.

So now my change to look really stupid (Nothing new I hear you say )

Looked at web site but what is the difference between the Kiss Classic and Kiss sport ?.

Regards Gary

Gary,

I'm a bit late in replying and you've made your mind up, but I'd like to raise a couple of points.

I believe that the KISS Sport is designed for and rated to 50m, whereas the Classic has a deeper rating.

With regard to your comments about 2 x 2L on SCR, the Drager uses a 5L cylinder and the Azimuth 2 x 4 L tanks [at least a friends does], in SCR mode 2L isn't really a lot of gas. I think the Submatix runs on 3L tanks.

The SCR's are a great way of getting gas extention. When using the 60% jet on the Dolphin I can get over 2 hours of diving out of a single 5L cylinder. For a weekends divng [4 x dives up to 1 hour] I will have £8-10 for the cylinder fills of nitrox, £2.50 for a single 7 that is used for bailout and a couple of quid for the 3L bailout built into the Dolphin. The cost of the scrubber is about £8-10 at the most.

I wasn't overly impressed with the Submatix when I saw it, but they seem to be becoming popular. I'll be running another SCR trip later this year [the May one is full] so keep an eye on the boards.