Halcyon Rebreather

[Digger]

Originally Posted by spunkmire

Hullo all,
I see that most people here all have a more divergent opinion to mine. Which is isn't surprising as they all dive on/ with rebreathers and I really only have opinions scraped off the internet and boat chatter (eg, the Ouroboros is incredibly expensive). Oh well, like they say, if you can't dive then piss people off on the internet

The reason I like the Inspiration is because I have seen a lot of people use it, it was one of the first ones out and is a full mixed-gas, setpoint etc unit and is made in Britain.
The Drager dolphin, which was the second one I heard about stuck in my head and I base my comparison around that.

Oh, and when I did my TDI advanced nitrox/ decompression procedures nobody mentioned the words 's' and 'drill' together so I haven't checked. my comments were not meant to denigrate the quality of GOOEEE training or their wonderful instructors.

Crawling back under my rock now.

In fairness, if all you know about rebreathers has been gained by reading internet opinions, you will have a mass of opinionated cack about every unit. Many issues have changed with each unit, and so far there have been quite a few inaccuracies in your posts on the thread.

I don't want to be funny about it, but if you don't know, then it's possibly best not to post on the subject. If someone came along asking for advice on OC gear I normally wade in because there's very little of it I haven't used at some point, if they come along asking about scooters I have very little to offer so usually stay out of it, other than to ask questions.

Please continue to post and get involved, though I would suggest more of a "Is it true that..." approach might save others developing opinions which are some way off the truth.

No offence intended. Just that we should try and stick to what we "know" to avoid internet rumours about units which largely aren't true. Like the cost of the Boris for example.

Digs.

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I don't know why people have to insist on increasing the Ouroboros price, it is clearly stated on the pricelist available from the CCRB website, £8250. As regards the cyl issue, the s/s hoses that connect to the cyls are supposedly long enough so that you could use 3l cyls, obviously you would need to have some means of raising the base or kitting up would be challenging. You could also dive with O/B gas connected with no inboards as both the ADV & solenoid are fed from the O/B gas, the only missing functionalilty would be the cyl pressure function, you'd want to turn a couple of alarms off though

One very useful consideration is the very efficient service from the manufacturer, being UK based shipping is easy and their turnaround time is very impressive, is it always so easy with the US based manufacturers I wonder?

Ian

Borris £8250
Trimix pin £105
Flight case £114

£8469 so i was £31 out on what we wrere discussing which is a full Trimix Eccr

However i can concure that sending stuff to the USA is a pain in the arse reguardless of how good their turn arround is.

ATB

Mark Chase

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

However i can concure that sending stuff to the USA is a pain in the arse reguardless of how good their turn arround is.

It depends.

When I first got my KISS there was a problem with the displays. Jetsam sent me out a new set within a couple of days. I'm ashamed to say that I sent the first set back a few months later (I was busy moving house at the time, but even so I still feel bad about it).

Janos

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

Borris £8250
Trimix pin £105
Flight case £114

£8469 so i was £31 out on what we wrere discussing which is a full Trimix Eccr

However i can concure that sending stuff to the USA is a pain in the arse reguardless of how good their turn arround is.

ATB

Mark Chase

The flight case is included in the unit cost so it is excluded. You cannot buy the 'mix pin with the unit unless you already have 50hrs on Boris so also not part of the up front unit cost.

Ian

[NotDeadYet]

Originally Posted by spunkmire

Hullo all,
I see that most people here all have a more divergent opinion to mine. Which is isn't surprising as they all dive on/ with rebreathers and I really only have opinions scraped off the internet and boat chatter

According to the internet Elvis is alive and th e holocaust was an invention. If you want to offer rebreather advice then dive some first. Actually dive some quite a lot then offer advice.

I've used the EDO-04 which is a copy of the RB80, it is VERY different from the RB80 in build quality and materials, this is reflected in the price. Lack of training may be an issue but I'd also sggest lack of understanding is as much an issue. I managed to strap one on and dive with it without dying without training. There is also quality differences between US built and Reinhard's original RB80's.

I will qualify that my opinions are based on actual diving and three bottles of wine (one of which was a very nice bottle of 99 Margaux).

Merry Christmas,

Stuart

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by NotDeadYet

If you want to offer rebreather advice then dive some first. Actually dive some quite a lot then offer advice.

Very useful advice, all too often we just see information regurgitated from other online sources, this is not always correct. There are a number of myths around CCR's that are perpetuated by armchair experts.

Ian

[The Doctor]

U

[milldog]

never dived one but the vision is the rebreather i am going for

Graham

PS Richard Steven's is doing try dives on re breathers next year

[markosis]

Well.

I'd forgotten about this post, but I've just been over it and all the new bits.

Thanks for all the information from everyone.
It'll be a number of years before I actually start thinking hard about laying money down for a Be-reather, but I'm interested in the Kiss, the Edo4 and (despite being linked to GUE training) the RB80.

What I like about the RB80 is that it has a big chunk of inbuilt bailout (not just a couple of 3s) and doesn't rely on electrickery.
Which is also why I like the idea of the KISS (Knight's In Satan's Service?) although it doesn't have the twinset tucked into the back of it like the RB80.

The reason I'm getting interested in be-reathers is that I'm beginning to feel the limitations of OC in the 30 - 45 Metre range in terms of gas duration. I'd also like to move towards trimix at some point (better, more intact wrecks and less spidged out) and it seems like a more sensible idea to retrain on a breather before taking all the OC mix courses and then running into the limits of OC at mix depths, and THEN starting again from point zero.

Thanks chaps. Food for thought. i might see if I can try one or two of these units out in open water.

[NotDeadYet]

Originally Posted by markosis

What I like about the RB80 is that it has a big chunk of inbuilt bailout (not just a couple of 3s) and doesn't rely on electrickery.
Which is also why I like the idea of the KISS (Knight's In Satan's Service?) although it doesn't have the twinset tucked into the back of it like the RB80.

You can put any size cylinders on any rebreather. Quite a few people dive their KISS's with 7's. I've seen people dive EDO04's with titchy little 3's.

Either way, you end up carrying whatever gas you need whether that's side or backmounted.

Cheers,

Stuart